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Old 11-01-2012, 09:35   #16
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

To get a boat with appropriate scantlings for a cruiser you'd have to go back to the J Class boats designed in the 1930's, and even those boats drew a minimum of 14'.

The 12-meter rule limited draft to 9', but that's still excessive for most cruiser applications.
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How about an old Volvo/Whitbred round-the-world racer? I have seen a few for sale over the years.

Berthon in Lymington have a series of the Challenger 67 yachts for sale. Couple of ex Army and RAF boats quietly rusting away from 250k

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They have a Volvo 60 for E250k as well.

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Old 11-01-2012, 10:38   #19
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I just thought I would be a fun idea to start this thread and see where it goes.
It depends totally on what you mean by "fun idea"...................
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

Tenacious wasn't a 12 meter. Ted Turner did sail the 12 Meter Courageous in the America's Cup.

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Warren Brown, Bermudian sailor, converted Ted Turner's Tenacious, named her WARBABY, and took her from top to bottom of the World.
I know crew members who did various legs.

OP said lightweight. The IACC class is much lighter than the 12 meter class so I would have guessed IACC. On the other hand a search for America's cup on yachtworld just now only brought up 12s. Either way, 12s are narrow and will only do hull speed, IACCs have 3000 sq. ft. of sail area and are going to break.

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I assume you are talking about 12 meters. I was on Courageous a long time ago when it was in Newp, racing. Nothing down below. Low overhead and quite cramped. All aluminmum construction and actually, not very light, by modern standards.

Not sure of your price or size range, but if you had some crazy compulsion to do this, you might consider a Farr 40 or similar. Probably a fraction the price of even an ancient 12 meter.

If you have real money, get David Pedrick to build you a copy of his new Navy 44.

As for an Ocean 60 or 70....those are sleds, meant for breaking hull speed and skimming the water at the greatest possible speed. You would be hard pressed to have anything close to a comfortable, enjoyable ride.

The lightest, fastest real cruising boat is probably a J Boat...but that is just a guess.

If you are looking for more speed....and can handle it...you can overcanvas a boat. Change the rig to a solent and have a Code 0 and everything. Or, get a fairly light boat, and rip out the interior.

But, I suspect your goal is to cruise on a pretty cool, real racer. In that case, One of the Farr's is probably your best bet. I have seen some very VERY high end ones that were obviously fit out for cruising, in absolute luxury....while still being a racing hull. Key West race week will have them.

Best of luck.
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

There would be no point in turning a dragster into a four wheel drive when one could purchase a four wheeler that is already much much closer to what you need. Doing this would cost you less money and take much less effort.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:50   #22
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Warren Brown, Bermudian sailor, converted Ted Turner's Tenacious, named her WARBABY, and took her from top to bottom of the World.
I know crew members who did various legs.

Warbaby was a C&C 61, modified in the bow to withstand ice--she definitely was not an America's Cup boat.
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

Ted Turner did campaign the 12 meter American Eagle in many offshore races.
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But I think you would be better off starting with a good racer that wasn't a 12 meter.
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

Go to Schooner Creek in Portland,Or . Spend under $400k buy 70' rage that just had a $160K refit and have a blast sailing the world. Boat can be cruised by a couple.
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

I have had the honor/horror of crewing on USA 11. We were doing about 15 knots in 7 knots of wind and the winch I was on was so loaded up you had to time your tacks down to the millisecond or else risk loosing a hand. I had bad dreams about it for weeks afterward. I am not exaggerating.

These boats are by no means ideal cruising boats. The answer is no.
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I agree Rage would be a great choice.
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

I stand corrected. Warbaby was not a 12 meter. She was Ted Turner's Tenacious, an Aluminum, Palmer Johnson built sloop, designed by S&S. Not a C&C 61
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There would be no point in turning a dragster into a four wheel drive...
Actually, I do know a guy who turned a Ford Pinto into a 4-wheel drive--you know, with the monster tires and everything. I guess if that's your idea of a fun way to spend your time and money, more power to you. Seems to me (as you observed, David) like a pretty big waste of both, though.

I think your analogy is a good one. Yes, you could turn an America's Cup race boat into a cruiser. Lot's of time, money, and effort required to end up with a boat that you'll probably never be able to sell to anyone else (or maybe you'll leave that problem to your heirs). Personally, I'd rather just start out with a suitable cruiser to begin with.

This thread reminds me a lot of the many threads we see from folks who have decided that they want to start with a 25 year old trailer-sailer and turn it into a "bluewater cruiser." Bottom line is the same: lot less time, money, and aggravation required to just buy a decent bluewater cruiser to begin with.
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Re: Ex-Americas Cup Race Boat Converted to Cruiser

I know it was some years ago, but Ted Turner converted American Eagle (a 12 metre Americas cup boat) into a very effective ocean racer, but a fully crewed racer. I would have thought that the later type Americas Cup boats were too over-rigged to make an effective conversion into a cruiser without VAST expense--still stranger dreams have come to fruition.
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Does anyone have any ideas on how a ex Amaricas cup race boat would be if I it was converted into a ultralight world crosser. Everything in the cabin would be made from lightweight composite and venear. What is the headroom under the deck like. I have been seeing so many for sale on yaughtworld.com at great prices. Would to hear all your ideas on this.
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