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Old 12-05-2016, 14:33   #16
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Re: Dufour

Vintage dufours are really sturdy and strong boats, I put those old dufours in the same level as Wuaquiez in terms of quality and strength, today they are a step fwd or 2 v any other plastic French production boats like Bene, Jeaneau or Bavarias...
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... today they are a step fwd or 2 v any other plastic French production boats like Bene, Jeaneau or Bavarias...
I thought so but things seem to be changing. Yeloia that has some new ones on its charter fleet says they are no better than Jeanneau or Beneteau. Even had said they gave more problems.

They changed the way they are built that are now pretty much the same way as Jeanneau or Beneteau using single skin and a molded inside skin.

But is good to remember that there are two lines on Dufour, the GL, the cheapest and what they call the performance line, more expensive and better built.

For all that you mentioned probably Bavaria are the better built ones (not talking about finnish) with cored hulls above waterline and a keel structure that is not an integral molded one. They use also kevlar on impact zones, on the bow.

But I would agree with Barnakiel that regarding built quality the differences are not big among mass production main market boats and that the choosing would be made more in what regards the type of hull, interior quality and layout regarding personal preferences.

If you want a better built boat, slightly more expensive buy a Salona, a Dehler or the new Maxi 1200 (made by Delphia).
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I have seen (recent) Dufours with the kind of issues that no manufacturer should let pass thru their garage door. The same can be said of any other modern plastick boats. If I were to elect Dufour over any other of the pack, this could be solely on the basis of my personal likes and dislikes, NOT quality.

They are all of the same quality.

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I have seen (recent) Dufours with the kind of issues that no manufacturer should let pass thru their garage door. The same can be said of any other modern plastick boats. If I were to elect Dufour over any other of the pack, this could be solely on the basis of my personal likes and dislikes, NOT quality.

They are all of the same quality.

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Just by coincidence a fried surveyor commented today with me a survey he had made on a GL 445 (he was on its way to the boat for more work on it when I got a lift on his car). I would not use his words, that were not nice, but he said it is worse than Jeanneau or Beneteau, supporting Yeloia comments.

His girl friend has a Dufour 44, from the performance line and he says that without being nothing of extraordinary, it has nothing to do with the Dufour GL line.
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Just by coincidence a fried surveyor commented today with me a survey he had made on a GL 445 (he was on its way to the boat for more work on it when I got a lift on his car). I would not use his words, that were not nice, but he said it is worse than Jeanneau or Beneteau, supporting Yeloia comments.

His girl friend has a Dufour 44, from the performance line and he says that without being nothing of extraordinary, it has nothing to do with the Dufour GL line.
Could it be that there is a CATALOG that shows the differences?
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Just by coincidence a fried surveyor commented today with me a survey he had made on a GL 445 (he was on its way to the boat for more work on it when I got a lift on his car). I would not use his words, that were not nice, but he said it is worse than Jeanneau or Beneteau, supporting Yeloia comments.

His girl friend has a Dufour 44, from the performance line and he says that without being nothing of extraordinary, it has nothing to do with the Dufour GL line.
Just not sure you should trust a fried surveyor though!
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Just not sure you should trust a fried surveyor though!
Ok, a friend that is a surveyor
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Could it be that there is a CATALOG that shows the differences?
What do you mean? On a detailed technical file you can see some differences but there is nothing like looking at the real thing with a deep knowledge of modern building techniques and materials, taking some measurements, see how the boat is built and having a big comparative reference basis.

The Surveyor that I was referring is the main man in what regards Comar yachts maintenance and besides that he makes surveys on all brands mostly in Italy, Greece and Turkey, a huge number, mostly recent modern sailing yachts. In Italy they call it Perito Navale (to a certified surveyor).
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What do you mean? On a detailed technical file you can see some differences but there is nothing like looking at the real thing with a deep knowledge of modern building techniques and materials, taking some measurements, see how the boat is built and having a big comparative reference basis.

The Surveyor that I was referring is the main man in what regards Comar yachts maintenance and besides that he makes surveys on all brands mostly in Italy, Greece and Turkey, a huge number, mostly recent modern sailing yachts. In Italy they call it Perito Navale (to a certified surveyor).

Maybe you know the scantlings in hulls and decks for example !!
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