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Old 22-10-2010, 09:05   #16
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good call on the diving. it was really just a thought. I was told that aside from newer aft cockpits, sugar scoop CC do not exist. I figured as much.

I am just not a fan of the white with wood trim look. Id rather all white, or all wood. Either old or modern, not the inbetween. Just person preferance.

All of this is just a matter of conversation, i am assuming whatever i purchase will be what i like, weather or not it matches what i said in this thread.

Since they dont exist, i think i am set on a Center Cockpit with a nice aft cabin. Time to go hop on some boats and have a look!

Are Cabin Cruisers considered motor/sailors?

Not sure what the advatange is with a cabin cruiser over say a hard dodger/bimini.
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Old 22-10-2010, 09:13   #17
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Have you done any sailing? If not you should find some people to take you out, preferably on different types of boats. Boats have very different sailing abilities, are very different as to how they behave in waves, and are very different in how well the cabin works as a home while moving and heeled over.

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Old 22-10-2010, 09:21   #18
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actually the white with wood isn't modern, it's herschoff!!! SP?
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Old 22-10-2010, 10:40   #19
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Have you done any sailing? If not you should find some people to take you out, preferably on different types of boats. Boats have very different sailing abilities, are very different as to how they behave in waves, and are very different in how well the cabin works as a home while moving and heeled over.

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Hey Sailmonkey, what are ya doing this weekend?
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Old 22-10-2010, 11:46   #20
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Hey Sailmonkey, what are ya doing this weekend?

If I can get the hole drilled for the propane hose gland, and if I can get the regulator secured and if I can put the exahust riser back on the back of the engine and if I can get the oil changed in the trans and engine..........We might go sailing.
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As far as the whole "does this exist?" thing.........
May I present a picture of a center cockpit with a scoop transom......................
Previous Models: Center Cockpit 40
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These are around at various prices.

1984 Cascade Cutter Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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Dunno if this'll suit your needs but... its a lovely boat...
38 Ft 1989 Island Packet FOR SALE

Nicely priced at $121,900. Call for a full spec sheet and details.
Nice looking boat - is there a Yacht World listing? I'm not in the market, but love to browse.
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Old 22-10-2010, 14:06   #24
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Check out this link:
Morgan 43 Sailboat Upgrades

It's a well done sugar scoop add on. I've always liked them too, for easy water entry/exit.
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Nice looking boat - is there a Yacht World listing? I'm not in the market, but love to browse.
Its posted on www.towndock.net the Oriental NC website and my favourite place in the US.... just go to classifieds/marine and search Island Packet....
Damn... just noticed I forgot the contact info... ahh well follow the leads...lol
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chalk one up for the bendy-toys mark! CC with a scoop! nice
I like the look of the spindrifts interior too (bums).

Good thing is, right near me are a wide variety of boats for sale, so i will be able to hop on a bunch of different ones. thank you guys for the suggestions.
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Just remember the vast majority of older boats are for sale because the owner lost interest in the boat or has moved to a different kind of boat. So it is reasonable to assume that there will be significant "re-fit" costs involved in getting the boat up to whatever "your standards" are before sailing off.
- - Blue water boats are neat if you are going to cross oceans, if you are gunkholing a coastline or cruising the islands it is a bit of overkill. You will lose significant versatility and speed which might be more important to you.
- - Push comes to shove, most boat sales are determined by the "feel" and look of the interior cabin. Next is the amenities the boat offers for your particular "hobbies" like scuba, fishing, whatever. Finally, it all comes down to price.
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Just remember the vast majority of older boats are for sale because the owner lost interest in the boat or has moved to a different kind of boat. So it is reasonable to assume that there will be significant "re-fit" costs involved in getting the boat up to whatever "your standards" are before sailing off.
- - Blue water boats are neat if you are going to cross oceans, if you are gunkholing a coastline or cruising the islands it is a bit of overkill. You will lose significant versatility and speed which might be more important to you.
- - Push comes to shove, most boat sales are determined by the "feel" and look of the interior cabin. Next is the amenities the boat offers for your particular "hobbies" like scuba, fishing, whatever. Finally, it all comes down to price.

and if the significant other gives the green light
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all good advice
it needs to be something i can make crossings in, that is my plan.
i wont mind the refit or refurb. the way i see it, you buy a cheapish boat and have higher refits or buy a more expensive boat and less refits, its a wash. just depends on your initial investment. I will live on it quit a while before i can sail away.

no signifigant other in this equations, it will be mine

id rather not finance any of the purchase, so keeping the initial cost low is a factor.

credit for the fixing/refit/upgrades is less of an issue.
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. . . it needs to be something i can make crossings in, that is my plan.
i wont mind the refit or refurb. the way i see it, you buy a cheapish boat and have higher refits or buy a more expensive boat and less refits, its a wash. just depends on your initial investment. I will live on it quit a while before i can sail away. . . .
With that, I would specifically suggest a "double-ender" in the 35 to 40 ft range - If you want reasonable speed and lots of room inside for storage and a possible crewmate later on. If you are strictly a loner and want to largely preclude any long term crewmates then go for the 30-35 ft range.
- - Definitely a cutter rig so you can reduce down to staysail and heavily reefed main. Look for a "barn door" rudder - that is a rudder that runs the whole length of the aft end of the keel. Also a narrow boat with a proportionately deep keel. Nothing "shoal draft."
- - For stability this is about the best you can get. It also is not a "sexy screamer" so the prices will be more reasonable. Only serious sailors are going to be interested in these boats as they are designed to "go places" in a solid, stable, take most anything vessel. They are not fast, but like the proverbial "turtle and the hare" they will get you there with minimal grief and hardships on the crew.
- - Dual roller-reefing on the forestays. Mainsail with full length battens, if possible. Whatever you buy, be sure to budget for a new set of sails, heavy ocean cruising sails, not the light coastal sails. You want sails that will take a beating and keep together.
- - On the smaller 30-35 ft boats, a tiller is more functional and less to maintain. Of course, get a wind-vane steering system for ocean crossings. On the larger boat get a good autopilot like Simrad/Robertson - stay away from anything Raymarine/Raytheon. The European instrument makers are mainstream with stuff that keeps on working. More expensive but you will bless the day you opted for a good autopilot.
- - Generally speaking, on a used boat the electronics are "shot" or obsolete or used up. So don't "pay" anything for them when bargaining for the boat. You are going to replace them anyway.
- - Single-handing is not difficult or dangerous if you set up the boat so that you can operate it with minimal manual labor. Single-handers do everything slower than multi-handed crews. But they have less to worry about especially trying to keep track of the safety of the crewmate.
- - You replace that crewmate with solid electronics - autopilot, radar, C.A.R.D., sonar, AIS and most importantly excellent navigation software/systems. You set up the boat so it will sail itself with minimal "tweaking" by you and you can see at a glance where you are and what is around you. By shifting the menial tasks to machines you can free up your time to plan and think what you need to do next.
- - Others can suggest specific makes and models of such a boat but they are easy to spot as all the other buyers are gathered around the sleak, sexy speed demon sailboats and off in the corner is the lonely, solid blue-water boat looking for a new loving master to sail her over the seven seas.
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