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Old 14-08-2014, 14:27   #16
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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

I also fell in love with the "from above" access to the engine room. This allows quick and easy to access to the packing box, seacocks in the engine room, sacrificial zinc in the back of the motor (Beta 38), and other things in the engine room you might want to get to, such as the transmission. I just installed a new engine and I don't plan on having to get to that sort of stuff often but it is nice to be able to get to it if you NEED to.

To facilitate this I bought big deck hatch and installed it in the bottom of the cockpit well. It has worked out great so far.

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Old 14-08-2014, 15:02   #17
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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

I agree with the OP –
Engine and mechanical space is extremely important for long-term, long-distance cruisers.

The engine space in my boat is pretty good – access from two sides through very large doors almost the same size as the walls, and you can crawl into it and reach most parts of it ok. The cockpit floor can be unbolted if you ever need access to the top of it. It is very well ventilated with two large blowers on a thermo switch, with large ducts out the transom. It is well lit, too.

I shouldn’t complain. But . . . If I could design a new boat from scratch, starting from my boat as a baseline, I wouldn’t change almost anything about the accommodation, galley, or heads, but I would make the boat 2 or 3 meters longer in order to have more technical and storage space, especially deck storage and engine room. I would increase the engine room space by 1.5x, so that you could fully walk inside it. I would put in a work bench with vice and really good tool storage. There would be plenty of room for installing new or different technical equipment, and for storing parts and materials and fluids.

Technical maintenance is a big part of the life a long-term or long-distance cruiser. Whether this part of the cruising life is torture or not is largely determined by how accessible are the systems you need to maintain. With all due respect to the previous poster who wrote about v-belts and filters – there is a hell of a lot more to technical maintenance of a cruising sailboat than v-belts and filters.

Technical maintenance can even be a pleasure if your tools are stored in a convenient, accessible, and overseeable place, you have a complete and well-organized inventory of parts, and you have a nice place to work (read – a real workbench with a vice). So the engine room is a key space on board, in my opinion. It is a shame that cruising sailboats these days are sold by the bedroom, with technical and storage spaces squeezed until the pips squeak in order to increase the accommodation.
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Old 14-08-2014, 15:22   #18
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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

Some small boats that I've seen have extremely good engine access such as some Bristols and the older Tartan 30's where the cover is taken off the engine and the entire machine sits with all exposed in the middle of the main salon. My own 41 has more of a "duck" walk entry than a walk in engine room, but all sides have easy access. This is often true of smaller center cockpits that don't give up the engine room space for a walk through aft.
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Old 14-08-2014, 16:00   #19
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Sure, but with limited engine access how would you replace it? And with what engine that wouldn't have the same access problem?
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Sure, but with limited engine access how would you replace it? And with what engine that wouldn't have the same access problem?
The ability to easily remove the engine is really a separate issue to a walk in engine room.

My yacht like some other centre cockpit boats has a removable floor to the cockpit which allows for easy engine removal, but it does not have a walk in engine room.

Amel yachts have a lot of clever features and you are wise to consider them seriously, but as others have pointed out there is not a lot of need to spend long periods with the engine.

Some boats have a "technical area" where items like watermakers can be installed for easy access often with a workshop area. This is probably of more value than walk in engine room although of course the two options can be in the same area.
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Old 14-08-2014, 21:16   #21
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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

I have been aboard a few Hallberg Rassy boats and both of them (around 40') had excellent engine access. We are currently shopping for a 40-45 bluewater boat and engine access is one of my must-haves. Robert Perry boats seem to be among the least accessible, the Lafitte is the worst I have seen.
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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

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I agree with the OP Engine and mechanical space is extremely important for long-term, long-distance cruisers.

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Unless they elect a sailing boat.

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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

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Unless they elect a sailing boat.

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Very funny!

However, the reality is that other than the Pardeys, there are practically 0.0% cruisers who do not heavily rely on their engines. Most cruisers make more than half their miles by motoring, and nearly everyone uses engines for port maneuvers.

Therefore, sailing boat or not, the engine is a key component.
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Very funny!

However, the reality is that other than the Pardeys, there are practically 0.0% cruisers who do not heavily rely on their engines. Most cruisers make more than half their miles by motoring, and nearly everyone uses engines for port maneuvers.

Therefore, sailing boat or not, the engine is a key component.
Well, I think it is more like 0.01%.

Still, the 99.99% clearly chose wrong boats.

If one makes "more than half their miles motoring" there is very little justification for all the expense and complexity, let alone the inherent risks, of having a mast, rigging and sails.

I think the future of all cruising is power cats.

There sure will always be that 0.01% of sailors out there cruising too.

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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

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If one makes "more than half their miles motoring" there is very little justification for all the expense and complexity, let alone the inherent risks, of having a mast, rigging and sails.

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This sounds like a valid point at first, but then it omits the many hundreds of miles and hours that we have enjoyed sailing without any purpose of arriving at a destination. Sure, we're crusing and we do arrive at new places, but a huge amount of our sailing is out and about for the day and ending up where we started. I know of others who are always destination oriented and your thought applies for them. What about others here? Don't the majority of cruisers still sail about for the joy of sailing,- out for a few hours or a few days without "going" anywhere?
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Re: Do any Other Manufacturers do their Engine Room like Amel?

I like my walk in engine / generator room

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Although not walk in.. I can get around my engine room/lazerette pretty well with a crawl and can sit up straight in most places. My boat is a non production boat, Kaufman 47, and I know of only 2 other boats like mine so don't know how many Mr Kaufman built. I intend to ask next time I contact him(along with where hull number is located /:...) I have a V-drive so I can get to most of the important things quite easily. My new engine isn't in yet but my engine space is ready for it as soon as I get home from offshore. Fresh paint and insulation all around.

I plan to try to make a small work space on that starboard bulkhead with a small work bench later on if I can while also not inhibiting egress through the hatch(one on both sides) above the bulkhead.

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Sure, but with limited engine access how would you replace it? And with what engine that wouldn't have the same access problem?

My engine room is accessed from the removable companionway steps and a door about 5 foot high. I have a z drive so the gearbox is at the front and can be checked easily. The oil filter and fuel filters are remotes and accessible from this location.
There is a side access from the quarter berth which is used to check water, drive belts and replace water pump. So, not a walk in but apart from tappets, injectors and fuel pump (on the side access side) I can access the routine items quite easily.
How many people carry out major rebuilds on their engines in situ?
We spent a year sailing from FL to Australia and only carried out servicing - no problem


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