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Old 15-01-2011, 02:51   #1
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Dismasted !

Well, I guess the title of the thread says it all.. We had some work done on the rig through the week, as the new rig wasn't quite right.
We went for a sail this morning, with the sailmaker and rigger.
We got outside the seaway, main went up, then the asym, in 15 knots, the backstay snapped, then down it went!
The rig was a swept rig, but also had running backstays, but they were left for race use. I wasn't at the helm at the time, that was one of the riggers, there wasn't anything unusual before the mast went.
No one was hurt, the boat didn't cop anything more than a few scratches. Anyhow the rigger says his insurance will cover the damage, we should have a new rig in a couple of weeks. As for the sails, I'm not sure when the main can be replaced, rather soon I hope, but most of the lofts in the area seem fairly busy right now.
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Old 15-01-2011, 03:48   #2
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Well - bloody bad luck, but better there than on a passage.
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Old 15-01-2011, 04:48   #3
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Eek they are just about to re step my mast having fitted new rigging as we speak.

Thankfully no one hurt and you had the riggers on board at the time, it would be hard for their insurance to try and wiggle out of this one.

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. . . We went for a sail this morning, with the sailmaker and rigger.
We got outside the seaway, main went up, then the asym, in 15 knots, the backstay snapped, then down it went!. . .
Just curious, exactly where or what in the backstay "snapped?" Chain plate; terminal/toggle; wire; antenna insulator; clevis pins?
- - How old was the wire and fittings? Single or double backstay? Fractional rig boat or masthead rigged?

- - Knowing would help me and others.
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Old 15-01-2011, 05:11   #5
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Snapped at the wire, about 10m up, and was single backstay, again had running backstays as well, but being a swept rig don't have to be used. They were not in use at the time.
The rig was a masthead.
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My sympathy, mate - glad it went smoothly !! Odd to see the wire back stay fail - was it new wire??
We lost our rotating carbon fibre rig almost two years ago off Hong Kong airport with full main and genoa when the forestay attachment at the mast let go. Fortunately no diamonds etc and the wind carried her pretty neatly over the side with a few paint scratches and nobody hurt. It is a shame to see all the gear that goes with it !!
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Glad to hear that everyone is safe and sound-and the boat as well! If it was new wire, I wonder if there was a manufacturing flaw. I'd certainly want them to rerig with a different lot.
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Snapped at the wire, about 10m up, and was single backstay, . . .
Just one more or so - 10 meters up - was it at the spreader? Just above/below?
- - If at the spreader/wire junction - were you using "spreader boots" or stand-off wheels? Maybe clamps or clamping device to hold spreading in position?
- - I always thought that might be a weak spot as dissimilar metals - aluminum & stainless - might cause problems. Also spreader boot can retain water and clamps to hold the spreader in the correct position introduce another weak spot.
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JJB,

Looks like all your stars where aligned by having your rigger aboard.
I am sure you where thinking this could have been much worse.
Best wish on your re-rigging

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Just one more or so - 10 meters up - was it at the spreader? Just above/below?
- - If at the spreader/wire junction - were you using "spreader boots" or stand-off wheels? Maybe clamps or clamping device to hold spreading in position?
- - I always thought that might be a weak spot as dissimilar metals - aluminum & stainless - might cause problems. Also spreader boot can retain water and clamps to hold the spreader in the correct position introduce another weak spot.
- - Thanks - - -
As I said, it had nothing to do with the running backstays, they weren't in use, so no junctions with any spreaders. It happened at around 10m up the cable which is a little higher than first spreaders.
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Who was the rigger? If it was Cookie from S&H Spars. I would have given anything to see his usual laid back persona meet an extreme fluster situation. He lifted my mast out by crane in the water without raising his voice. Now I just have to get it back up again.

Sorry to hear about your little adventure but at least that is one thing you can scratch off your once in a life time list. Now you won't have to change the rig ever again - once you get the new one
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JJB,

Looks like all your stars where aligned by having your rigger aboard.
I am sure you where thinking this could have been much worse.
Best wish on your re-rigging

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Thanks for the kind wishes Mark, I appreciate it. The sail makers and riggers were on the boat because they had been working in kahootz with one another.

They were going to use the boat as a show piece, for their work, so it was very much in their interest to get this spot on.

You know the really funny thing about all this, my deaf son decided he wanted to come along, while all this was happening he had his implant turned off, and was just sitting there on the rail feet over the side of the boat playing his DS, he didn't notice a thing till he turned around almost 10 mins later wanting to know why we were heading back in the seaway, then looked up and just exclaimed Oh!
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Who was the rigger? If it was Cookie from S&H Spars. I would have given anything to see his usual laid back persona meet an extreme fluster situation. He lifted my mast out by crane in the water without raising his voice. Now I just have to get it back up again.

Sorry to hear about your little adventure but at least that is one thing you can scratch off your once in a life time list. Now you won't have to change the rig ever again - once you get the new one
I know the guy you're talking of, but no it wasn't them. I won't mention the name of the company for now, just in case they are reading this.
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I've done it three times.
Welcome to the club.

Funny how time seems to stand still as you watch the rig come down.
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he didn't notice a thing till he turned around almost 10 mins later wanting to know why we were heading back in the seaway, then looked up and just exclaimed Oh!
bet there was some other words used by the rest of the crew that he was best off not hearing too.

One thing for sure when the insurance pays them to replace it, I am willing to bet it's made absolutely bomb proof

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