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Old 28-02-2016, 07:23   #61
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Re: Difference between Amel models

Hello James,

The Santorin is the replacement to the Maramu just like the Super Maramu was the descendant of the Mango.

Most Santorins were ketch rigged but a few are sloops... I would not like a sloop as the standing rigging is wide and the lazy upwind performance is unlikely to be better.

Regarding the sail setup of the Maramu.. keep in mind their purpose.. to sail RTW with a retired couple as sole crew. More roach?? Why? In the Amel community, a statement is oft repeated: "Own the boat for a full year before you think about making changes.." This is a wise approach IMO.
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Old 28-02-2016, 12:36   #62
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Hello James,

The Santorin is the replacement to the Maramu just like the Super Maramu was the descendant of the Mango.

Most Santorins were ketch rigged but a few are sloops... I would not like a sloop as the standing rigging is wide and the lazy upwind performance is unlikely to be better.

Regarding the sail setup of the Maramu.. keep in mind their purpose.. to sail RTW with a retired couple as sole crew. More roach?? Why? In the Amel community, a statement is oft repeated: "Own the boat for a full year before you think about making changes.." This is a wise approach IMO.
One of the reasons that I like the Amels is because of the Ketch rig so no interest in the sloop. I can see how the ketch rig fits into the design philosophy of the boats quite well.

As to the not making any changes until knowing the boat well, I agree completely and have followed that advice for most of my life already! In this case however the factory changed things by going from the main/mizzen using conventional slides to the in mast furling on the Maramu in 1985. The data I have come up with shows that on the mainsail went from 312 square feet down to 247. I assume that there would be a similar % loss of area in the mizzen as well which I assume would be a significant performance hit in light air, would it not? If room existed without hitting the backstay, the addition of some roach could add a bit more sail area..that was my thinking. Quite a number of the owners of Maramu's without the in mast furling that I have inquired about have elected to go to a fully battened main and mizzen but I don't know if any roach was added.

There appears to be an additional ton of ballast added to the Super Maramu from the data I have found while the total displacement actually dropped from the Mango. The SM mast is also shown to be 1 foot taller. It is interesting to see how the Amels have evolved over the years!

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Old 15-05-2016, 10:51   #63
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Hello James, The Santorin is the replacement to the Maramu just like the Super Maramu was the descendant of the Mango. Most Santorins were ketch rigged but a few are sloops... I would not like a sloop as the standing rigging is wide and the lazy upwind performance is unlikely to be better. Regarding the sail setup of the Maramu.. keep in mind their purpose.. to sail RTW with a retired couple as sole crew. More roach?? Why? In the Amel community, a statement is oft repeated: "Own the boat for a full year before you think about making changes.." This is a wise approach IMO. :biggrin:
Hi ! Amels are very very well built sailboat but... they have relatively small cockpit for living in the tropics; moreover you can find 3 bedrooms layout sailboats in that size range which means that when the day comes & it will, your kids ask for their own room, you won't have to sell your sailboat & go hunting for a new one. A couple of friends live here in St-Martin with their two daughters aboard a Jeanneau Sunkiss 47 & each girl has her cabin
Good luck!
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Old 23-09-2016, 14:07   #64
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What about the current Amel 55 and 64 that is listed on the Amel site? Any inputs? I can't seem to find much review on the 64...
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Old 24-09-2016, 11:49   #65
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Few of either type available on the "used" market. As these are expensive boats, potential buyers contact Amel directly or their agents to discuss their needs.

If in the US, call Joel Potter, the best qualified guy in the US or if in EU, call Amel directly. I believe they have demo models for both boats at each location.

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Old 24-09-2016, 12:13   #66
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]What about the current Amel 55 and 64 that is listed on the Amel site? Any inputs? I can't seem to find much review on the 64...[/COLOR]
Hi! You'll find a lot of comments in...French But I'm really not convinced by the 54 ketch rig as you can get hydraulic or electric furling gears with a cutter rig which is the best set up for single-handed/short-handed crews. When I was getting my Ericson 34 ready for my passage to the West Indies, at Bock Marine I met an american sailor who was working on his SECOND Amel 54 ! He had done a round the world cruise with a first one & bought a second one after having sold his first... I assume he had only good things to say about it ! If I could afford a 64, there are half a dozen sailboats that I would purchase before an Amel 64. I wouldn't buy a teak deck sailboat for the tropics, & I would get a sailboat with a more "open" cockpit... but it's just a question of personal experience & taste, so go for it as they keep their resale value quite well The galley layout is far better on the 64 as you can use it on both tack, not so on the 54 One thing is sure, if I ever get the kind of money needed to buy an Amel 54 or 64 I would get the one (64) with a roll-in-roll-out garage in the transom for the dinghy ! Cheers PS: When it was first presented at the Nice boat show, six were ordered, probably by Amel owners who wanted to "upgrade" to something bigger but who knew firsthand Amel's quality & reliability !
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Old 24-09-2016, 16:31   #67
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Hey there:

I went through a similar experience once I found the Amels, I was not able to afford the newer models, but fell in love with the older Maramu's (46ft vs Super Maramu's 53ft).

Spent 4yrs rebuilding the cosmetics and boat systems, and now we have a boat hull that is built like a brick **** house and a modern interior. We couldn't be happier and best part is replacement value survey was made recently at +$900K, and we spent under $250K total including all upgrades.

Check it out here: http://svcerulean.com

Happy to help anyone interested in one of these magnificent world circumnavigation ready vessels.

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I assume he had only good things to say about it ! If I could afford a 64, there are half a dozen sailboats that I would purchase before an Amel 64. I wouldn't buy a teak deck sailboat for the tropics, & I would get a sailboat with a more "open" cockpit... but it's just a question of personal experience & taste
There is no wood teak on Amels.
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There is no wood teak on Amels.
Hi! This was true 'till the 64. Before, all Amel sailboats had synthetic look alike "teak" decks which I've always found "kitch". I would rather have Treadmaster*, real teak or nothing. But for the 64, being their flag ship, they felt obliged to offer both real or look alike teak, depending on the taste & experience of the guys with deep pockets who can afford one of them By the way if one's need an experienced crew or skipper to sail an Amel 55 or 64 from France to God knows where, give me a ring I've skippered that passage several times, once on a Swan 43... Except for the fishing**, that passage was real cool/fast Cheers !
* I've just discovered that Treadmaster is making teak look alike . Maybe they're the one who have provided Amel (?) from the begining.
** The American owner had told me that he had all the gears needed to fish offshore, except that the second dorado we hooked, out of Gran Canaria, escaped with the only hook we could find on board
https://www.treadmaster.co.uk/produc...-atlanteak-tkw
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Definitely above my price range too, but I'm really curious about the size of their engine room.
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Old 26-09-2016, 03:07   #71
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Hey there:

I went through a similar experience once I found the Amels, I was not able to afford the newer models, but fell in love with the older Maramu's (46ft vs Super Maramu's 53ft).

Spent 4yrs rebuilding the cosmetics and boat systems, and now we have a boat hull that is built like a brick **** house and a modern interior. We couldn't be happier and best part is replacement value survey was made recently at +$900K, and we spent under $250K total including all upgrades.

Check it out here: http://svcerulean.com

Happy to help anyone interested in one of these magnificent world circumnavigation ready vessels.

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If you got a survey valuing your boat for 900K, I would find a way to sink it.. quick before they change their minds!

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Old 26-09-2016, 03:09   #72
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Definitely above my price range too, but I'm really curious about the size of their engine room.
The most volume "no problem" engine room in Amels is the one on the Super Maramu. They crimped (a bit) on the 54's, 55's and 64's.

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