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Old 07-03-2013, 15:05   #1
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Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

I can see Bene went for diamond stays (wording?) in their smaller boats.

http://images.passionperformance.ca/...t_First_20.jpg

Is this going to become a trend?

How good / bad is such a solution?

I think I like it.

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Old 07-03-2013, 15:18   #2
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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

Might help if you explain what you are talking about. I am just a mere mortal....

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Old 07-03-2013, 15:26   #3
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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

I think "diamond stays" are diamond-shape shrouds that (rather than more conventional shrouds that when passing a spreader go vertically down to a chain plate on the deck, instead) go back inwards to the mast. Diamond stays are common on some catamaran rigs and also at the top of fractional IOR masts to support the top-mast. In the photo attached in the original post, you can see the shrouds going down from the spreader ends to the mast, rather than a conventional through-deck chain plate.
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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

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Might help if you explain what you are talking about. I am just a mere mortal....

As per Weyalan's post.

I too have seen them on cats before and on some skiffs.

I often look at our rig (single spreader) and think having such a design here would simplify a couple of things.

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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

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I can see Bene went for diamond stays (wording?) in their smaller boats.

http://images.passionperformance.ca/...t_First_20.jpg

Is this going to become a trend?

How good / bad is such a solution?

I think I like it.

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don't see any backstay in that photo
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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

Apparently there is none. Square head main.

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I was told diamond stay's are good, but I was also told having no backstay was really bad..
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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

Backstay not required in fractional rig as long as the top of the mast section is man enough to hold up to the pressure from the top portion of the main.

Many boats do without backstays. Some do without any stays too.

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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

Diamond shrouds allow the spar to be rotated, (most often seen in multihulls). Certain Dinghy classes like the Thistle, USED to have what I call diamond shrouds.
But I see a lot of boats with the Bergstrom/Ridder rig that have what I can only call 'reverse' diagonal shrouds, (even though I know that can't be the correct terminology.)
It's very hard to see what this rig really is, ( in the first photo).
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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

I think in this case the reason was pragmatics of a trailer - the mast was too long to do without support from spreaders and the designer did not want the owners to mess about with spreader angles, fitting, etc.: the diamonds stay on and the mast is set in place with three plain wires. France elegance.

I believe their new 25 is of the same design. Earlier both small Firsts had long, swept spreaders.

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I think in this case the reason was pragmatics of a trailer - the mast was too long to do without support from spreaders and the designer did not want the owners to mess about with spreader angles, fitting, etc.: the diamonds stay on and the mast is set in place with three plain wires. France elegance.

I believe their new 25 is of the same design. Earlier both small Firsts had long, swept spreaders.

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That must be it. Now it makes sense to me. Thanks.

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Re: Diamond Stays on new Beneteau First

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don't see any backstay in that photo
Because you are looking at the woman in the cockpit?

I cop enough grief sailing a Beneteau to wonder what would be said if they extend this idea to the big boats.


Nice looking little boat

Talking about modern boats, there were SIX 66 foot Gun boats in St Martin for the just gone Heineken regatta. And some of the tiny monohulls that must have sailed here from the USA for the races... They just look so small and fragile.
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