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Old 27-06-2015, 10:36   #61
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Outbounds aren't cheap. Probably around $1.5m sailaway price for the 46.
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The OP said American made boats, but I was under the impression they are a Chinese made boat?


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Sailboatdata suggests Outbound Yachts is American owned and that their boats are built in China. Seems to enjoy an excellent rep.

Sailboats built by Outbound Yachts by year on Sailboatdata.com
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Old 27-06-2015, 11:11   #64
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Outbounds aren't cheap. Probably around $1.5m sailaway price for the 46.
Around 550k base, 850k fully loaded
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Sailboatdata suggests Outbound Yachts is American owned and that their boats are built in China. Seems to enjoy an excellent rep.

Sailboats built by Outbound Yachts by year on Sailboatdata.com
So does that make it a "Chinese-American" boat?

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Is it the place it was laid up and constructed?
Or the location for the brand's office or headquarters?
Or where the Naval Architect's office is located (New York, Seattle, London, etc.)?

Is the Outbound (built in China) a "Chinese" or an "American" boat?

Is the Beneteau built in South Carolina (USA) an "Made in America, French Boat?" Or is it a "French Boat?" Or simply "A boat made in America, so an American Boat?"
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Old 27-06-2015, 11:40   #66
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Re: Current production bluewater boats

Based on the US Jones Act, a boat's origin is where the hull is built and not where it's outfitted.
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Old 27-06-2015, 12:31   #67
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Of course it requires a lottery win to buy a new Outbound and since my sailing is basically coastal this may not go very far .... but D R O O L ...
In that event, why the quest for the mythical "Bluewater Boat"?

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Seems you'd really broaden your options by lightening up a bit on that requirement, there are probably many boats that might suit you just fine... Make no mistake, I understand the appeal of a boat like the Outbound, but it doesn't sound like you absolutely need a boat of that caliber. And, if that's the case, you might easily be happier in the long run with something that might better suit the type of sailing you're actually gonna do...

I thought Swiftsure Yachts had a J-46 listed, for example... Some of the similar qualities of the Outbound, but probably a bit more fun to sail... Just went to their website, however, and its no longer there... However, I did see this very intriguing listing, these are pretty cool boats, and this one appears to be in superb condition:

http://swiftsureyachts.com/products/seacock/


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Old 27-06-2015, 12:45   #68
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After having experienced my Catalina for several years, I would really like to move to something that is substantially stronger and I believe that means "blue water"
I am tired of severely limited storage, fuel that barely gives a 400 mile range (without reserves) and a damn liner. I also want to move up a couple of steps in the quality department.
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After having experienced my Catalina for several years, I would really like to move to something that is substantially stronger and I believe that means "blue water"
I am tired of severely limited storage, fuel that barely gives a 400 mile range (without reserves) and a damn liner. I also want to move up a couple of steps in the quality department.
OK, fair enough, that makes sense...

Although, personally, I've usually found a 400 mile range under power to be adequate for "coastal cruising"... But chances are you're gonna get more than that by simply stepping up in size, anyway...

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So does that make it a "Chinese-American" boat?

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Or where the Naval Architect's office is located (New York, Seattle, London, etc.)?

Is the Outbound (built in China) a "Chinese" or an "American" boat?

Is the Beneteau built in South Carolina (USA) an "Made in America, French Boat?" Or is it a "French Boat?" Or simply "A boat made in America, so an American Boat?"
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After having experienced my Catalina for several years, I would really like to move to something that is substantially stronger and I believe that means "blue water"
I am tired of severely limited storage, fuel that barely gives a 400 mile range (without reserves) and a damn liner. I also want to move up a couple of steps in the quality department.
Give the guys at Swiftsure Yachts in Seattle a call. They are the Outbound and Hallberg Rassey reps on the west coast. However they (Pete McGonagle in particular, but also Brad Baker) are also very good at helping clients to understand what they need and then recommending alternatives. Their specialty is blue water yachts. I worked with them when I was looking for our boat and was very impressed. A couple of friends have also used them and were quite happy in the end.

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Old 27-06-2015, 14:19   #72
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Passport is made in the same factory. This is not too removed from the outbound 46.

Lovely boat.

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/20.../#.VY8EQRtViko

If you were in the market for a 46 I would def give this a look.
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Around 550k base, 850k fully loaded

WOW !

That's cheap for such a quality fitout
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Passport is made in the same factory. This is not too removed from the outbound 46.
Higher level of customization with an associated higher price.
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The Outbound has a few user friendly issues to sort out if you decide to buy one. The first being the companionway hatch which isn't large enough to pass through without hitting your head. I'm only 5'8" and I don't have enough clearance... smacked my head real good at the Annapolis boat show on one. At the show, the factory rep stationed someone near the hatch to remind everyone to duck... so I wasn't the only one. Lame design. Then I was equally unimpressed when my wife and I bashed our feet on the large sharp cornered hunk of stainless some design knucklehead placed on the decks in order to mount the primary blocks. I guess, not so much a problem if you wear steel-toed deck shoes and a hard had when underway.
I need to correct a screwup on my part.

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The boat I was referring to in my above comment is the Passport yachts... My mistake, I got the two manufacturers mixed up. Passport has the mentioned design issues... NOT Outbound.

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