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Old 24-06-2015, 22:20   #16
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Why not read this? Great criteria and nice list near the end. Almost everything that has been mentioned to this point is listed:

Mahina Expedition - Selecting A Boat for Offshore Cruising

Problem is that he doesn't recommend a single entry level production mono hull boat.
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Old 24-06-2015, 23:23   #17
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Why limit your choices to the very few made in America? The U.S. Dollar is strong against the euro, and it's currently a buyer's market in Europe. Look at some Hallberg Rasseys and Oysters in your size and price range. Forget about American companies that just re-badge an Asian product. The good stuff is being built in Europe.
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Old 24-06-2015, 23:27   #18
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Hmmmm .... lots of suggestions - thanks.
I spent some time looking at all the builders web sites but so far nothing has spoken to me on the level of visual appeal I have not gone through the boats of the Mahina web site since they are largely out of production.
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Old 24-06-2015, 23:35   #19
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Why limit your choices to the very few made in America? The U.S. Dollar is strong against the euro, and it's currently a buyer's market in Europe. Look at some Hallberg Rasseys and Oysters in your size and price range. Forget about American companies that just re-badge an Asian product. The good stuff is being built in Europe.
The reason is the import duty on anything not produced under NAFTA. That adds almost ten percent to the price. To put it another way, I really like the Outbound 46 but am wondering if there is something available that appeals, is priced similarly as the Outbound but is produced under NAFTA without the big duty hit. I will also need to include 11% taxes on top of any duty.
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But... If you can save a huge amount on the purchase price, why worry so much about the import duty? Or, register the boat in a tax free country, cruise overseas and forget about the import duty.
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Old 24-06-2015, 23:51   #21
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But... If you can save a huge amount on the purchase price, why worry so much about the import duty? Or, register the boat in a tax free country, cruise overseas and forget about the import duty.
This is the other side of the coin - if it turns out that value is exceptional then I won't mind paying duty. I am hoping that looking at NAFTA boats will clarify this for me. Cruising exclusively overseas will not happen, the boat has to come into Canada.
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This is the other side of the coin - if it turns out that value is exceptional then I won't mind paying duty. I am hoping that looking at NAFTA boats will clarify this for me. Cruising exclusively overseas will not happen, the boat has to come into Canada.
You do not have to pay Canadian tax while the boat is out of Canada. You can buy it and bluebook register it and not pay tax. You can leave it in the states and not pay tax and you can bring it into Canada under a work bond for several months and not pay tax. Just make sure that when you buy it none of the transaction happens in Canada.
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Does Waterline (Steel / Vancouver) still make a mid-40' boat? Looked at a few used ones when I was shopping and was quite impressed with the build quality.

Is Dieter Pollack (again steel/Vancouver or Victoria/small production yard) building boats again? I looked at a couple of his 44'ers and again was quite impressed. If I could have made the layout of either work for us, I'd have bought one.

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Old 25-06-2015, 00:08   #24
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Prior to buying our current boat in the UK, we were focused on purchasing a boat on the west coast of the U.S. Eventually, looking overseas and then buying a boat and sailing it overseas opened up a whole new world of possibilities we'd never considered. Now, I wouldn't trade two weeks of Mediterranean cruising for an entire season in the U.S. We've now adjusted our lives and jobs to accommodate world cruising.

Don't limit yourself by fixating on some 10% tax issue.

The Outbound has a few user friendly issues to sort out if you decide to buy one. The first being the companionway hatch which isn't large enough to pass through without hitting your head. I'm only 5'8" and I don't have enough clearance... smacked my head real good at the Annapolis boat show on one. At the show, the factory rep stationed someone near the hatch to remind everyone to duck... so I wasn't the only one. Lame design. Then I was equally unimpressed when my wife and I bashed our feet on the large sharp cornered hunk of stainless some design knucklehead placed on the decks in order to mount the primary blocks. I guess, not so much a problem if you wear steel-toed deck shoes and a hard had when underway.
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You do not have to pay Canadian tax while the boat is out of Canada. You can buy it and bluebook register it and not pay tax. You can leave it in the states and not pay tax and you can bring it into Canada under a work bond for several months and not pay tax. Just make sure that when you buy it none of the transaction happens in Canada.
I was under the impression that as a Canadian citizen there was no choice but to pay import duty the first time I brought it into Canada. I do realize that if I was an American citizen, I could bring the boat in under a cruising permit.
In any case, the boat will have to be docked up here in Canada so there is no bypassing the duty
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Give up on the sail thing, get a trawler. Holds more fuel, water and lots more room to escape from the Admiral.
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Perhaps someone can remember this better than I. Didn't a company in Washington State start building a reproduction of either the Baltic or Nordic 40?
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Perhaps someone can remember this better than I. Didn't a company in Washington State start building a reproduction of either the Baltic or Nordic 40?
Yes, that would be Norstar Yachts, building the Nordic 40 and 44...

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Sweet boat, but that price reflects the premium one pays for a new boat...

With that sort of budget, I doubt I'd have much trouble finding a used 40-footer of suitable quality, and still have $200K left over to put into the cruising kitty... Your Sceptre 41 would certainly be one worthy of consideration...

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The reason is the import duty on anything not produced under NAFTA. That adds almost ten percent to the price. To put it another way, I really like the Outbound 46 but am wondering if there is something available that appeals, is priced similarly as the Outbound but is produced under NAFTA without the big duty hit. I will also need to include 11% taxes on top of any duty.
You will have a duty tax but you will save on build labour cost which is why they are built in the east. It is swings and roundabouts. I am sure the labour cost savings will be given back to the consumer in part and not all be swallowed in profit.

If you are able to afford the 46 without the 11% not sure you will find home grown for a similar price. I have some quotes from Phil Lambert and the prices at outbound are very keen for what you get.

Also he is a very accommodating guy. He will give you what you want. Send him an email and have a chat if you are set on the Outbound 46.

To my mind if you can afford the 46 without the 11% you can get that boat. There are ways.
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To my mind if you can afford the 46 without the 11% you can get that boat. There are ways.
Not to mention, if adding 10% to the purchase price of a boat you really want is the deal breaker, are you sure you can really afford to maintain and actually USE the boat, anyway?

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