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Old 16-11-2010, 09:10   #1
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Cost Estimates for Necessary Work on Oyster 41, Pre-Purchase

Hi,

Having been out on a test sail of an Oyster 41 last week, I am trying to crunch the numbers prior to making an offer.

As far as I can work out, she needs;

1) Replacement Standing Rigging
2) Replacement running rigging
3) Replacement sacrificial strip on genoa
4) Replacement mainsail
5) New guardrails and one new stanchion
6) Decks painting
7) Sump pump in shower drain
8) Possible new boom
9) Gas system doesn't comply with bulkhead fittings not in place

This is all above anything a survey might pick up.

What sort of cost do people think the above would set us back?

I think around 10,000.

Am I miles out?

I would look to do things like the deck painting myself, but would have the rigging, sails etc done professionally.

All help gratefully received!
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Quick estimate for U.S. mid-Atlantic: $30,000 plus the deck painting.

Depends on how you do that...could be a cheap do-it-yourself job, or a professional, remove all the deck hardware job, multiple coats, non-skid, etc.. The latter would be about $15-20K here (just got an estimate for my own boat).

Round figures: $50,000 overall

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I'm not quite as pessimistic as btrayfors, but it's probably closer to the $50k number than what you were estimating. Especially if you're having it done in the 'civilized' world by professionals. Labor just kills you there. I don't see it getting done for less than $30k, even getting yourself as dirty as possible.
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Quick estimate for U.S. mid-Atlantic: $30,000 plus the deck painting.

Depends on how you do that...could be a cheap do-it-yourself job, or a professional, remove all the deck hardware job, multiple coats, non-skid, etc.. The latter would be about $15-20K here (just got an estimate for my own boat).

Round figures: $50,000 overall

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If getting pros to do the work:

All quesstimates in us dollars. I am not a doctor, and I don't play one on TV.

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Hi,

Having been out on a test sail of an Oyster 41 last week, I am trying to crunch the numbers prior to making an offer.

As far as I can work out, she needs;

1) Replacement Standing Rigging
10k
2) Replacement running rigging
3k

3) Replacement sacrificial strip on genoa
$700
4) Replacement mainsail
$4000
5) New guardrails and one new stanchion
Guardrails? do you mean the pulpit and pushpit? Donno about this
6) Decks painting
10-15k
7) Sump pump in shower drain
8) Possible new boom
8k
9) Gas system doesn't comply with bulkhead fittings not in place
2k

This is all above anything a survey might pick up.

What sort of cost do people think the above would set us back?

I think around 10,000.

Am I miles out?

I would look to do things like the deck painting myself, but would have the rigging, sails etc done professionally.

All help gratefully received!
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Hi,

Having been out on a test sail of an Oyster 41 last week, I am trying to crunch the numbers prior to making an offer.

As far as I can work out, she needs;

1) Replacement Standing Rigging...
up to 3K... hunter 37 was 2050quid by a C/church rigger
2) Replacement running rigging...
do it yourself, its easy enough just take out the old halyards leaving a mouse the buy the line in 200ft rolls.
3) Replacement sacrificial strip on genoa....
If you get it done by the sailmaker making your new main around 200quid
4) Replacement mainsail.... Shop around..
5) New guardrails and one new stanchion... assume you mean the wire..?
6) Decks painting.... DIY...
7) Sump pump in shower drain... not expensive, 50quid
8) Possible new boom..... only 'possible'??
9) Gas system doesn't comply with bulkhead fittings not in place... screw in bulkhead fittings...??

This is all above anything a survey might pick up.

What sort of cost do people think the above would set us back?

I think around 10,000.

Am I miles out?

I would look to do things like the deck painting myself, but would have the rigging, sails etc done professionally.

All help gratefully received!
10K GBP should do you nicely....
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Looks like Bill and I are pretty close, what is the exchange rate?. And I bet ya find more issues!

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Hi,

Having been out on a test sail of an Oyster 41 last week, I am trying to crunch the numbers prior to making an offer.

As far as I can work out, she needs;

1) Replacement Standing Rigging
By a good rigger $17k

2) Replacement running rigging
$3k


3) Replacement sacrificial strip on genoa
$1k

4) Replacement mainsail
$5k

5) New guardrails and one new stanchion
$3k

6) Decks painting
$500/ft so $21k

7) Sump pump in shower drain
$89

8) Possible new boom
$3k

9) Gas system doesn't comply with bulkhead fittings not in place
$500


This is all above anything a survey might pick up.

What sort of cost do people think the above would set us back?

I think around 10,000.

Am I miles out?

I would look to do things like the deck painting myself, but would have the rigging, sails etc done professionally.

All help gratefully received!
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I just don't see how you have to spend $3-5k on a mainsail for a 41' boat. Here's a list of what Bacon Sails has in the size range for an Oyster 406:

Bacon Sails & Marine Supplies

I would pay for the professional standing rigging replacement if you're not supremely confident in your measurements and installation skills. But I'm with boatman on the rest of it..do it yourself and keep the prices down.
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10K GBP should do you nicely....
I think also that boatman61's figures are more realistic.

For example standing rigging 8mm 1x19 per meter is €8,50, 10 mm 1x19 per meter is 13,90.
Swage terminals: 8mm is €32,90 plus €7,90 per attaching to wire , 10mm is €44,90 plus €11,90. Or you could get yourself norseman terminals and do most of the work yourself.

Running rigging. Buy the stuff by the roll and save a lot.
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Running rigging. Buy the stuff by the roll and save a lot.
Whatever you do, do not do this!! Nothing worse than every line on a boat looking exactly the same. Just a royal screw-up waiting to happen.
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Whatever you do, do not do this!! Nothing worse than every line on a boat looking exactly the same. Just a royal screw-up waiting to happen.
While in principle I agree with this, in practice money is money and if it's a question of going with all-new identical sheets and halyards, or going with older, questionable life expectancy running rigging, I advocate various colored waterproof tape stripes at regular intervals at the winch end to simplify proper line identification
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Hi,

Having been out on a test sail of an Oyster 41 last week, I am trying to crunch the numbers prior to making an offer.

As far as I can work out, she needs;
1) Replacement Standing Rigging - Carefully measure the length of your rigging then order the wire cut to those lengths. Decide if you're going to swage or mechanically attach the ends (a la Norseman). Don't forget to look at tangs and "T's" that connect the rigging to the mast. Hire a rigger after hours to assist. I paid about 30% of the quoted rates. 2500USD
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2) Replacement running rigging
- You can buy the rigging precut or a big roll and cut and whip it yourself. Make sure you look over the blocks and wire-rope or wire carefully. 700USD
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3) Replacement sacrificial strip on genoa
- combine this with (4)
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4) Replacement mainsail
- Depending on your sailing style, you might do very well with a used sail. A good loft can recut it and add battens or chafe protection for a fair (sometimes free) price while they're working on the main. 1500USD
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5) New guardrails and one new stanchion
- Measure the wire length and have them precut. Have a marine store/rigger press the fittings on. 200USD Finding a matching stanchion may be difficult and if you can't having one fabricated can be pricey (make sure it's 316 stainless, not the cheaper and weaker 304 or other compositions). 300USD
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6) Decks painting
- DIY 250USD
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7) Sump pump in shower drain
- Depending on the clearance you can buy prepackaged shower sump pumps for about 150USD. If you have to fabricate your own, then don't forget the hair strainer and a good waterproof switch to control the pump. DIY 250USD
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8) Possible new boom
- ?? You either need one or you don't. If you think you do, then get one. You can probably buy one used. Don't forget to check the gooseneck fitting. 600-1000USD
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9) Gas system doesn't comply with bulkhead fittings not in place
- Go over the entire system carefully. External tanks should vent to the outside without passing through the interior of the boat. Make sure the lines are gas rated and routed so as to prevent chafe. DIY 200USD
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This is all above anything a survey might pick up.

What sort of cost do people think the above would set us back?

I think around 10,000.

Am I miles out?

I would look to do things like the deck painting myself, but would have the rigging, sails etc done professionally.

All help gratefully received!
I get somewhere around 6600USD but there are always surprises (at least to me) so I'd probably budget 7000USD.

You can change the rigging without taking the mast down. You need some long, good quality lines, a few helpers and a game plan, but it can, and is regularly done. Unless the standing rigging is shot, I'd keep a couple of the longest pieces as emergency spares.

I'd also talk to the sail loft about making some bags out of the old sail if it's well past its life. I never seem to have enough canvas bags for shopping. storing extra line or foul weather sails. I'd also try to get some of the better sections of the old sail cut for sail repair or chafe protection. If there's still a lot of sailing left in the old sail, you might consider selling it.

If you go the cut up the old sail route, I'd have the loft cut you some sections that have cringles, rope, or assorted sail bits into rectangles. Spend some time being artistic, maybe putting a drawing of your boat, or it's name on the sail in indelible markers. Sign your handiwork and send them to friends and family. That'll be a gift they won't expect.
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Just did most of this in the past couple years. This is the price on the East Coast of the US.

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Hi,

Having been out on a test sail of an Oyster 41 last week, I am trying to crunch the numbers prior to making an offer.

As far as I can work out, she needs;

1) Replacement Standing Rigging
$6000
2) Replacement running rigging
$did it myself so if you don't splice it could be more. $1500
3) Replacement sacrificial strip on genoa
$1200
4) Replacement mainsail
$5000 - $6000 quotes from all the major lofts (haven't bought one yet)
5) New guardrails and one new stanchion
6) Decks painting
Did my own nonskid for under $300 but to spray the gelcoat would be considerably more.
7) Sump pump in shower drain
$65 and a bunch of bandaids.
8) Possible new boom
$7000
9) Gas system doesn't comply with bulkhead fittings not in place
?

This is all above anything a survey might pick up.

What sort of cost do people think the above would set us back?

I think around 10,000.

Am I miles out?

I would look to do things like the deck painting myself, but would have the rigging, sails etc done professionally.

All help gratefully received!
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I'm pretty close to what Capt Doug suggests. When I rerigged our old Transpac 49 ketch even though I was fairly experienced, I didn't want to risk screwing up the standing rigging measurements. I just removed and ID'ed all the shrouds and stays (including the jack stay), except the head stay (relatively new roller furling) and took them to the riggers' shop. One week later picked up the lot and spent a couple of days installing them myself at a considerable saving. One mis-measurement would have cost a heap. they did all the swaging and it went together like a mechano set... easy-peasy... left the stick up secured with spare line... Capt Phil
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I will go with the estimates in the 15-20K range. The boom worries me a little, could be expensive on an Oyster. The offer is always an intresting game. In this market boats are at some amazing lows. See if you can get a list from the broker what the last couple of 41' Oysters went for. Bid the boat at the lowest lowest price he will let it go, he will counter or the broker will tell you you way off. The seller may have had an idea of what needed replacing and priced accordingly.
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