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Old 28-06-2016, 02:23   #31
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

mandatory reading:
https://www.amazon.com/Fibreglass-Bo...breglass+boats
(& don't just "check" 18 year old rigging - throw it out!)
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Old 28-06-2016, 13:40   #32
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

Seacocks, standard rigging, lifelines are all at the end of their natural lives.
Survey is essential, especially going up the mast to look at suages.
I just bought a 2004 and am in the process of refitting the above.
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Old 30-06-2016, 06:05   #33
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

if it works it works.. I have the original 1993 a/c on my boat.

When you buy an old boat, dont fix or replace something without good reason



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The Ocean Marine reversing AC/heat is original. What might it run to replace it? I can easily find cost of a new unit, but I have no idea what the labor would be (doesn't seem like a DIY job).
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Old 30-06-2016, 06:18   #34
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...yeah, don't replace standing rigging, wait for it to fail...!
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

perhaps, umm, say .. have it checked?..

Then you would have a good reason to replace it

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...yeah, don't replace standing rigging, wait for it to fail...!
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Old 05-07-2016, 00:38   #36
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

discovered several INTERIOR strands of 1 x 19 5/16th (8mm) standing rigging broken when we cut the backstayterminal off to fit a norseman-insulator - could have checked all we wanted...would have been impossible to detect (except maybe by xray?)
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

Dr D,

Congratulations on getting back into sailing! And if your new to sailing wife likes the boat... buy it! Having a spouse that actually wants to go sailing puts you in the minority. Maybe not on this forum but in the overall world of sailboats... yes.

And as stated already, 15 years old is new as boats go. Just check her over good.

My boats have been vintage 1925, 1937, 1949 and 1977. In that order. (Guess I will have a 15 year old boat next).

Buy that baby and take the wife sailing!

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Old 05-07-2016, 15:34   #38
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And beers to you!!
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and make sure to actually use the sails! I saw lots of boats today where the owner only uses the motor and not the actual sails!
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

We have a Jeanneau DS40 that was built in 2001 and launched in 2003. We bought her new and have way over 30k nm on her. We have sailed the ec of the usa, from Miami to Colombia, to Jamaica to Trinidad to Antigua to Azores to Med to right now in the Black Sea.
the older Jeanneaus are really well built and over spec'ed in our opinion. they sail well in all conditions but you do need to spend some time to figure them out. We think this boat is one of the best ever made but then again I prefer red heads and some prefer blonds.

Get a survey and go from there but Jeanneau made a great boat back then and still do but not to the sturdiness as before. Someday we will sell this boat and someone will get a heck of a boat.

there is a Jeanneau owners website and most of us are nice people - go there and ask specific questions as there are a lot of owners who may have the same boat.
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perhaps, umm, say .. have it (standing rigging) checked?..
Per my understanding, eyeballing won't discover crevice corrosion inside terminals or glassed over chainplates. Ultrasound can, but by the time you paid for it, you might as well simply buy yourself a new rigging.

I've seen firsthand a chainplate that was pulled out of a boat, broken in half with not too much effort, and, it turned out, was held together by several square millimetres of good stainless (the rest was crevice corrosion). That sight has changed me forever
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fair enough you have seen an example.

I saw a dog die..it does not mean all dogs will die when i look at them??

So, If you are suggesting that every sailboat at aged 15 needs new standing rigging (without any understanding of the history or use of the boat) then your commentary does not match the reality of boats out there...just take a look around.

I mean, we already have had one poster recommending replacement of a perfectly good a/c unit I mean.. seriously?..

Common sense and good judgement needs to prevail for if we are going to make a list of what someone *should* replace without any personal experience or view of the boat in question then nobody would ever buy an older boat.

and yet there are a lot of older boats sold... go figure

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Per my understanding, eyeballing won't discover crevice corrosion inside terminals or glassed over chainplates. Ultrasound can, but by the time you paid for it, you might as well simply buy yourself a new rigging.

I've seen firsthand a chainplate that was pulled out of a boat, broken in half with not too much effort, and, it turned out, was held together by several square millimetres of good stainless (the rest was crevice corrosion). That sight has changed me forever
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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

The part related to rigging: what are we talking about?

If the RIGGING is 15 y.o., it goes. And also the in-mast backing plates and then some of the terminations (turnbuckles, toggles) possibly too.

The chainplates get pulled out, checked, and held on to if found perfectly sound.

Unless the boat is never going to leave the dock and the insurer does not really care.

Very few boats have their masts removed for the winter, reviewed, stored in a hangar, then checked and re-set in the spring. These could be possibly the few cases when one could hold on and use the rigging while in range of good towing and rigging services.

If essential stuff on a 15 y.o. were good, s/h boats would cost a major part of the new price. Go online spot the difference.

New boat 2 mio, same make 15 y.o. boat 500k. This is just one example from a top shelf builder.

Swallow it. 15 y.o. is years old. This applies even more to the modern lighter boats than it does to some quality boats built in the 70'ies and 80'ies.

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Re: Considering buying 15 year old sailboat -- issues?

Some things are time and exposure relevant. Some things aren't.
Standing rigging is one of them due to it's nature. It doesn't degrade from use, It degrades from SS corrosion from oxygen depleted water sitting in crevices. It might be ok but it's hard to tell... so the general rule is 10+ years.


A good analogy might be tires sitting on your motorhome, they might be brand new, when you never had time to use it and it's been sitting in the sun unused for 5 years. If you look at them they have cracks in the rubber all over. They are garbage but "brand new".
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When you buy an old boat, dont fix or replace something without good reason
That's the truth. Only on internet forums do people replace stuff just based on a year.
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