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Old 09-02-2014, 09:43   #31
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

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Snaggle, what kind of boat is that?
It's an Aluminum Robert Perry design. Here's a link to the specs, you might need to translate,
"Marlin": Leichtes Alu statt schweren Stahls - Panorama*|*YACHT.DE
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:46   #32
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..and sawing me mast off, putting in an aux backup engine, and getting a 4,000 gallon fuel tank.
Well......I did saw off one of me masts (and the bowsprit).

I like the idea of the backup engine. How about a motor cycle chain sproket permenantly mounted on the propeller shaft. Get a portable air cooled diesel engine that can be lashed up above the shaft with a long exhaust hose overboard? Engine could also be used to power a crashpump or generator or dive compressor or??

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Old 09-02-2014, 11:00   #33
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

Folmer in Holland is a prime shipyard building mostly aluminium designs.

Both Perry and Folmer is a good choice. Love the design of the boat, unfortunately too expensive for me.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:36   #34
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Thanks goat!
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Old 11-02-2014, 20:11   #35
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

We just bought one of these, a Niagara Nautilus. Built in the late 70,s to late 80,s. About 40 of them were built I think. Seems to be well built, has a fair reputation for being decent under motor or sail. October sailing on lake michigan in 5' waves was quite pleasant.
Our plans include sailing the Gulf of St Lawrence to Newfoundland, inside steering should be nice and warm with the diesel furnace cranked up.
May have a bit of trouble finding one on your side though...
Good luck!
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Old 11-02-2014, 20:19   #36
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

This is my dream boat.... A Shannon Mark II 43 ft. Pilothouse. It's got it all. I am attaching a video by Walter Shannon who built this great design and get ready to drool..... the video is about halfway down the page.


The Ultimate Bluewater Sailboat with Inside Steering
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Old 11-02-2014, 23:37   #37
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

They are the dumbest yachts to buy. They don't sail well and they don't motor well. Somethings should just not be combined. If anyone tells you differently on here they have not run a good sailing vessel or a good motor vessel. Their resell value sucks. and you'll end up buying one or the other but not a combination of the two.
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Old 12-02-2014, 01:10   #38
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

If you can find one in good condition, the Landfall 48 is a beautiful pilothouse.
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Some strong opinions here for sure. My home is Vancouver and in the summer most sailboats are motoring or motor sailing. In the early spring, late fall and winter your freezing your butt off BUT there is wind. Pilot houses were built for this sort of weather and I really understand why this individual is interested in one. Turn the heater on and sit in a warm dry environment with your pipe and coffee or do what I have done for the last 30 years, sit outside with the crack in your butt acting like an eaves trough and convince yourself your having a great time. I'd stick with your plan on having a pilot house if that's what you like because it does make sense in that climate or do like us and just sail someplace warm.
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

Maybe there are less requirements for a doghouse in plain summer under Med conditions, but there are moments in Bft 8-9 in a flushdecked boat that you wish one. Particularly when hit by the short and heavy waves of our part of the Northsea. You may imagine going in a bathtub all stairs down from the Empire State.

In such a case I would love to have some shelter.
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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Plamen, and Niagara Les.
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I'd first like to thank all of you folks for your great articles and advice, I've enjoyed them.

I am asking for your advice on choosing a pilothouse motorsailer, in the 30 to 39 foot range which can be handled by a new sailing couple. I have attached a photo of a boat similar to my vision: Fales Navigator Cutter Rigged Pilothouse Motorsailer found at sailingworld.com for $26,900.(1976 Fales Navigator Cutter Rigged Pilothouse Motorsailer Sail Boat For Sale -)

About me: Sailing experience less than 1 year, ASA 101, 103, and 104 will be completed by February. Our home port is San Pedro, California USA. I have over a 10 years of motor boating experience in coastal waters.

Objective: Sail the West coast, from San Pedro to Ketchikan Alaska. It is my intent to sail the inside passage with only one other crew member. I am planning a liveaboard situation.

Requirements: The marinas that I am both familiar with, and interested in require a minimum of a 30 foot boat for this purpose. I'd like to stay under 40 feet, due to limited crew, and berthing availability. I am most interested in a pilothouse for the added warmth, and its familiarity. Minimum 4 berths. 1 full size bed. Built after 1970.

Preferences: Aft cabin, separate shower, diesel engine, refrigeration, clear walking area on deck - free of rigging.

Budget: My budget is flexible, based on condition. However I would prefer to stay under $55,000 US dollars. My budget could double if the boat were turnkey condition with excellent rigging, sails, and a complete electronics package.

I welcome your input on choosing both my future home and sailboat.


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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

My previous boat, a Cartwright 36 Pilothouse is for sale again and, although she is more sail than motorsailor, she does have a Perkins 50 HP diesel and a pilothouse with an inside steering station.

Custom Cartwright 36 Pilothouse Cutter - 1995 Used Boats For Sale | Oakville, Ontario

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Re: Choosing a Pilothouse Motorsailer

Here's your boat! sounds like it has been well cared for too and ready to go. $35k! Fales Navigator Motorsailor Sailboat Cruiser | eBay
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Old 14-02-2014, 11:11   #45
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Here's your boat! sounds like it has been well cared for too and ready to go. $35k! Fales Navigator Motorsailor Sailboat Cruiser | eBay
Holy **** - is that door from Home Depot in the second picture?
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