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Old 11-01-2019, 06:28   #166
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Sail, rig, auto steering gear, dock lines, anchoring gear to name a few costs the same on a say 30ftr as yours..???
As for the marine toilet.. thats a crafty comparison..
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why do people care what boat others have?
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I do.. But then its my job to..
But for them I could not care less.. don't envy Keno for his Oysters, Pallaran for his Cat or Simi for his 60ft converted trawler..
We each choose what suits us personally in spite of being told otherwise.. Too small.. Too big.. Too simple.. Too complex..
I quite enjoy you big fellas motoring up mid Biscay as I'm sunning in the cockpit of my Corribee 21 waiting for some wind and photographing the weirdo in the dinghy with a lid in the middle of nowhere..
Always good for a laugh.. and often a few beers when I get into port..
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Sail, rig, auto steering gear, dock lines, anchoring gear to name a few costs the same on a say 30ftr as yours..???
As for the marine toilet.. thats a crafty comparison..
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The key word is "proportionally." The misconception people keep repeating is when they write "exponentially more" which is not the case in larger boats. The opposite is what's true. Smaller boats cost more per foot to maintain and replace parts, especially older boats which require more replacements and repairs. Our 45ft Hunter berthed in Southern California was the most expensive to own and maintain of the lot, so location also has much to do with it.

We've owned and maintained boats from 11ft up to 64ft.
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The key word is "proportionally." The misconception people keep repeating is when they write "exponentially more" which is not the case in larger boats. The opposite is what's true. Smaller boats cost more per foot to maintain and replace parts, especially older boats which require more replacements and repairs. Our 45ft Hunter berthed in Southern California was the most expensive to own and maintain of the lot, so location also has much to do with it.

We've owned and maintained boats from 11ft up to 64ft.
Ahh.. A Hunter..

Sorry SB.. Just jerking your chain..
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So while this is not my scene and I've no wish to copy this guy you should check out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTmJcC_Yw3IL7Bvtf_7nTLw (how to sail oceans)


he sails a 30 foot engine-less gaff cutter up and down the east coast/Caribbean and only the most basic stuff on board. It's great to watch and he's a pretty damn good sailor too.
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Heres Roger in MingMing his junk rigged Corribee21 that he sails from the UK up to the Artic Circle.. this clip is him sailing up Bear Island.

https://youtu.be/OaaA04kj0uo
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The key word is "proportionally." The misconception people keep repeating is when they write "exponentially more" which is not the case in larger boats. The opposite is what's true. Smaller boats cost more per foot to maintain and replace parts, especially older boats which require more replacements and repairs. Our 45ft Hunter berthed in Southern California was the most expensive to own and maintain of the lot, so location also has much to do with it.
Some costs are linear, but some are clearly exponential.

Sail price is determined by sail area. Sail area increases to the square with increased mast/boom size; i.e EXPONENTIAL. Same goes for all canvas questions; biminis, dodgers, etc.

Fuel tanks increase to the cube (volume), so again, exponential.

Surface areas of decks, hull, cabin spaces, all increase with the square, so costs for these surface works (painting, varnishing, repairing, cleaning…) all increase by the square: exponential.

Interior volume increases by the cube, so again, any component dependent on area or volume will increase exponentially.

Service cost per head is the same price, but large boats will have multiple heads: two, three even four or more. Again, not linear. And this can be applied to many other systems on the boat.

Not sure where you hang out, but even dockage rates often take non-linear jumps around here. There will be a foot price for boats under say 30-feet, another one for under 40-feet, and another for over 40, so again, not linear.

I could go on and on. Yes, not all costs increase exponentially, but many do.
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Some costs are linear, but some are clearly exponential.

Sail price is determined by sail area. Sail area increases to the square with increased mast/boom size; i.e EXPONENTIAL. Same goes for all canvas questions; biminis, dodgers, etc.

Fuel tanks increase to the cube (volume), so again, exponential.

Surface areas of decks, hull, cabin spaces, all increase with the square, so costs for these surface works (painting, varnishing, repairing, cleaning…) all increase by the square: exponential.

Interior volume increases by the cube, so again, any component dependent on area or volume will increase exponentially.

Service cost per head is the same price, but large boats will have multiple heads: two, three even four or more. Again, not linear. And this can be applied to many other systems on the boat.

Not sure where you hang out, but even dockage rates often take non-linear jumps around here. There will be a foot price for boats under say 30-feet, another one for under 40-feet, and another for over 40, so again, not linear.

I could go on and on. Yes, not all costs increase exponentially, but many do.
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Sorry Bud, but you're simply wrong on your figuring.

The cost to replace the Bimini on our 45ft Hunter, Oyster 53 and 62 are all within $200 or so. The cost to replace a toilet pump is the same on all three boats. The cost to replace a failed water pump... the same on all three boats. The cost to replace refrigeration compressors, again.... the same on all three boats.

Throttle linkage.... the same.
Anchor snubber.... the same.
Electronics..... the same.
Dinghy cost.... the same.
LifeSling..... the same.
Life jackets..... the same.
bilge pump..... the same.
Cost of one quart of varnish.... the same (doesn't matter what boat you put it on)
Washing machine... the same.
Watermaker.... the same.
Air Con water pump..... the same.
Engine oil..... the same.
Generator oil..... the same.
Engine impeller.... the same
Generator impeller.... the same.
Sails..... Only needed to replace on the 53 otherwise they were new on the other two boats.

I can go on and on, but I think you get the idea.
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Mike,

Sorry Bud, but you're simply wrong on your figuring.


I can go on and on, but I think you get the idea.
And to quote me: "Yes, not all costs increase exponentially, but many do.”

You’ve quote some that don’t increase exponentially. I’ve pointed out that some costs are tied to the physics of area and volume growth. Many of these costs are significant.

So sorry bud, you're simply wrong on your figuring .
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And to quote me: "Yes, not all costs increase exponentially, but many do.”

You’ve quote some that don’t increase exponentially. I’ve pointed out that some costs are tied to the physics of area and volume growth. Many of these costs are significant.

So sorry bud, you're simply wrong on your figuring .
I'd be willing to bet that some of our costs are actually lower on our 62, than on your boat.
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I tip my hat to these guys. That's one small boat and not something I could do.



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Heres Roger in MingMing his junk rigged Corribee21 that he sails from the UK up to the Artic Circle.. this clip is him sailing up Bear Island.

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Heres Roger in MingMing his junk rigged Corribee21 that he sails from the UK up to the Artic Circle.. this clip is him sailing up Bear Island.

https://youtu.be/OaaA04kj0uo
Tipping my hat to Roger and MingMing as well!

i appreciate how he spends time on the charts with us, very nice. and he's got such a humorously effective way of curtailing any potential complaint, with "never mind"

fun stuff!
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Ahh.. A Hunter..

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I checked the current "exponentiality" for a few Hanses and what their new mainsails cost as spare parts.

The models are Hanse 385, 415 and 575. I think the graphics show that there is a small increase in price per LOA of the boat but as the price per m2 of sail is decreasing, the LOA and price curves are quite similar.
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