Nick don't you think you are generalising a little too much, you cannot categorise all centre cockpit boats using the Hunter type as a model.
MarinHeiro: the Hunter
is the subject here!!! If you guys go on like this, the poor fellow is gonna end up with the Hunter instead of the Benny!! I am sure that I am not alone when I say that the looks of the Hunters make me puke and "wedding cake" is a favorable description ;-) There's only one type I like even less and that's those motorboat-cats with flybridge where they put a mast
on. Their booms are an easy 20' above the water
. I almost go into seizure when I see those.
For looks: the longer the boat, the more you get away with. Not just center cockpit, also pilothouse, boom height etc.
Yes, I like your boat (looked the design up in my bible ;-) . I like many Bruce Farr designs even those he did for Beneteau
(the old First's). But I don't like the later Farr pilothouse designs which I checked out when were selecting our new boat. I couldn't stand up in the salon
(I'm 6'6") and their ass is to big for my taste.
Yes the higher you go the more movement but on most centre cockpits this height difference is not enough to make it a real issue unless you are trying to win an argument
MeyerMM: I am sure that there are center cockpits around that will do fine. But I don't agree that this is most of them. Also, read up on the many yachts crossing the Atlantic from say Azores
: rolling is a major issue for many. Also, I have nothing to gain from "winning an argument" and my posts are not about that at all. I already won, I'm out of the rat race
where winning was important. The gain for everyone is the discussion and disagreement because all points of view come up. My posts are spicy maybe but I never insult people; I'm done with corporate style reports!
CC steering complication? What about late model aft cockpit boats with twin steering, I think this would be a whole lot more complicated with more to go wrong.
MeyerMM: twin wheels in aft cockpit boats are not complicated at all and use simple cable steering. The only addition is a piece of chain instead of cable where it passes the wheels. Show me a CC boat with cable steering and I show you a boat with sloppy steering and a spiders-web of cables
and pulleys. You get hydraulic with CC.
Also: I seem to invoke a big emotional response from you and your posts already include words like battle, ego, rubbishing etc. and there's not a single
smiley so I take it you're very serious. See that smiley behind Christian's remark about emotion? Now I smile because I know he's making fun and finally found something me and him don't agree on (I'll get back to you Christian! :-). You must understand that forums
are for discussions and there's no discussion when we all sing the same song. Sure, I write about puking when I see some boats etc. and the Hunter owners will not like that and I will take their responses which might ridicule my boat graciously. I hope they notice my smileys and sharpen their pencils, not their claws ;-) If we all stay away from serious personal remarks, we get a great thread that's fun to read and widens our horizons!
The main reason I like a center cockpit is the private aft cabin. With guests aboard it gives a lot more space to owner and friends. Also I have not found an aft cockpit boat under 48-50' or so that has a "good" owners cabin that is not the forepeak.
SkipMac: I agree with you that a center cockpit can have positive effects on the interior
. I even argued that this is the sole reason for designers to draw these CC's. For your search of aft cockpit boats with good owners cabins in the back under 50': Have a look at the Trintella 47.
About motion: I am seriously confused as some posters write that the CC is very good when pitching while the motion in an aft-cockpit is bad. At the same time however, they write that sleeping aft in the big bedroom is so much better... but that mother of all cabins is where normally the aft cockpit is, so it's a direct contradiction.
When we are anchored or moored, the boat is our house. But when we sail, it's our boat and we don't mind sleeping in the salon
, pilothouse or cockpit while underway. And this is by choice because our owners cabin is about midships, with the bed
aft of the main mast
and a calm oasis even when we do big 2-digit speeds. We find that everything changes when we are passaging and we like the change. There's nothing like sleeping under the stars on open sea with a nice warm breeze imo!
Docking/better view: there's no better view than from an aft cockpit when reversing into a slip. See, there's always the other side of things ;-) We are 64' and while you get the feeling for the bow I agree that it's far away. This is probably the reason we also do maneuvers in reverse when coming alongside a dock
If you look in most of the anchorages around the world, the cruising boats 45' and over seem to be center cockpit, which would say something for the cruising choices.
DelMarrey: I'm not sure about that, I never did that count but you might be right. However, I mostly tend to like things that are not mainstream. I do know that 99% of all production boats are not built for living aboard
: they are designed for weekend and vacation
sailing or chartering. But this is a cruisers forum and we should realize that all those boats aren't designed with us in mind.
John540: I'm not quoting anything because I have to admit I agree with what you write. But..... you're boat is a nice Hylas
47 and this is a CC that is an example of a CC that is designed very well and even has good looks. I wonder if you have ever been on a Waquiz Centurion 47 (aft cockpit)?? What do you think about that design?
I wasn't talking about rolling, I was tlking about the pitching motion, which is more comfortable the closer you are to the pivot point.
Hampus: but the subject you replied upon was rolling and you didn't mention pitching before. In general, pitching is much less a problem than rolling. We can anchor
in comfort in 4' seas as long as they are on the nose. When we get those on the beam, we almost capsize
, rolling like crazy. I would exaggerate if I write that one would be thrown out of a center cockpit in those conditions... but I am allowed to do that here ;-)
pjbsailing: Yes, I like the Morgan
44's and think they are great to live on. Your cockpit is very luxe and like an additional cabin. I would love a cockpit table like yours (we have none... a weak point on the Sundeers). I even like the comfort at sea and the only thing that bothers me is it's performance. I would still buy one if my budget
would limit me to go faster because of it's overall comfort level.
I don't understand that there's no designer
that takes the Morgan
blueprints and forms a faster hull
around it, taking it to 47-50 foot without enlarging the interior. It would be a winner for cruisers but then again, there's probably not enough cruisers around for successful sales.
Moondancer: The CC is the only thing I don't like on a Tayana 55 CC ;-)
Joli: let me guess: you have a Swan ;-) I even like the interior of the bigger ones but I never found I bunk I could stretch in.