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Old 09-06-2011, 02:28   #511
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I'm looking to buy a good used cruising boat in the 35-40 ft. range. I've seen quite a few boats already, including several catamarans.
Here you go Curm ... I see you in something like this ..1995 Morris Yachts Justine Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

It's right up the road. What ya think ... good nuf?
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:27   #512
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Here you go Curm ... I see you in something like this ..1995 Morris Yachts Justine Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

It's right up the road. What ya think ... good nuf?
Sure, when I hit the lottery. And if I did hit the lottery, I'd buy this one instead:
1999 Morris Yachts 40 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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Old 10-07-2011, 20:33   #513
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I sail a 1990 Jeanneau 51. I would take it to the depts of hell, and feel it would get me home. I have put a ton in maintenance and rigging. I have countless hours in required and preventative maintenance on her. When I get finished looking at this part of the world, she and I are going to "cross over to the other side." I have complete faith in Jeanneau and Beneteau!
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Old 10-07-2011, 20:46   #514
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Re: Can Jeanneau , Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean Crossing Boats ?

thats a #*@)#* big boat! wow. Im sure it can go to ever and back. I continue to wonder about the smaller ones - from say 27-38
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Old 10-07-2011, 22:38   #515
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I sail a 1990 Jeanneau 51. I have complete faith in Jeanneau and Beneteau!
Most impressive size with a grand T spoon patio, do you charter? Finally proof that bigger may not always be better?
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Old 11-07-2011, 00:10   #516
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Re: Can Jeanneau , Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean Crossing Boats ?

How come you guys don't get it? It's about the sailor, not the boat. All of us guys with custom boats (in my case it's still not finished after nearly 2.5 years) can't really sail. If we could we'd save the money and buy a production boat too.

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:26   #517
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Refering to the addage, "Its less the fiddle than the fiddle player..." I do agree that it is about the sailor. HOWEVER, the fiddle plays an impportant part. I think one should always buy the best boat he can afford. The best isn't the biggest or coolest electronics, or most recent flavor of the month. In the ocean, we are voluntarily placing ourselves on the food chain. The only thing that keeps me on the top of the chain and not the bottom is my boat.
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Old 11-07-2011, 09:28   #518
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The best violinists I've seen in the world (and I've seen plenty), the violin plays them, not the other way around. The best violinists in the world use the best violins, but the difference between a great violinist and an OK one is having the skill to allow that violin to have its voice. A great violinist using a mediocre violin will allow that violin to bring out the best voice it can, but it's still not as good as a strad.

The violin still matters. And so does the violinist.
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The best violinists I've seen in the world (and I've seen plenty), the violin plays them, not the other way around. The best violinists in the world use the best violins, but the difference between a great violinist and an OK one is having the skill to allow that violin to have its voice. A great violinist using a mediocre violin will allow that violin to bring out the best voice it can, but it's still not as good as a strad.

The violin still matters. And so does the violinist.
Yep. If the violin didn't matter at all, we'd all be fiddling around on a MacGregor 26.
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Yes but it's not at all clear In boats what's the equivalent of a stradivarious , long Keel, fin, spade etc etc most expensive boats are just bavarias with better interior woodwork.

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Yes but it's not at all clear In boats what's the equivalent of a stradivarious , long Keel, fin, spade etc etc most expensive boats are just bavarias with better interior woodwork. Dave
Maybe as post 519 suggests, it's the Macgregor 26. There are so many out there and often with knuckleheads for skippers. Not one has sunk around Cape Horn. I haven't heard of any losing their rudders accross the Atlantic. The complete all round boat. Just read their sales blurb. To me, the "CE" claims by the production boat builders are far more credible than what is claimed for the amazingly popular Mac 26. So sales numbers don't tell the full story.

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Yes but it's not at all clear In boats what's the equivalent of a stradivarious , long Keel, fin, spade etc etc most expensive boats are just bavarias with better interior woodwork.

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Yes, I am sure that the folks at Hinkley will agree with that statement.

And Morris. And Wally. And...
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Maybe as post 519 suggests, it's the Macgregor 26. There are so many out there and often with knuckleheads for skippers. Not one has sunk around Cape Horn. I haven't heard of any losing their rudders accross the Atlantic. The complete all round boat. Just read their sales blurb. To me, the "CE" claims by the production boat builders are far more credible than what is claimed for the amazingly popular Mac 26. So sales numbers don't tell the full story.

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Re: Can Jeanneau , Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean Crossing Boats ?

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Re: Can Jeanneau , Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean Crossing Boats ?

and folks have sailed 1. logs across the pacific from west coast to hawaii, 2. a 6' bathtub across the atlantic, along with other assorted teeny crafts, 3. a rowboat most ways round the world; and 4, blocks of ice(navy) in north atlantic(ww2). so if your a lucky lunatic almost anything can be used to float across the oceans. safe, wise, and seaworthy: big NO. the three decades after ww2 produced a lot of extremely seaworthy boats for circumnavigations. nowadays not many folks doing that. those that are usually go in big herds, lots of passengers, and many critter comforts. thus the light, really beamy, sailing condos have taken over. no one will ever produce another rhodes reliant nor westsnail again. no market demand. besides everyone is getting very very fat, weak, and poorer. so bulbous boats are IN. eom
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