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Old 26-08-2010, 08:14   #316
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Ahh...back to this are we?

Yes, for example, Bennies in the early to mid 80's are desirable (35, 38, 405 etc), but no one...no one steps up and gives a play by play on which models are good up to today. And not all of them are.
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Think you may have missed a few hundred post on the subject... including several on this thread.
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Old 26-08-2010, 08:32   #317
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Think you may have missed a few hundred post on the subject... including several on this thread.
Nope been through them all. Very few consolidated viewpoints. We probably need something from a single source that has delivered a lot of them.
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Old 25-05-2011, 05:51   #318
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Re: Can Jeanneau, Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean-Crossing Boats ?

if the price is important for you then maybe this is a good offer...

BENETEAU declares the 30-day race against the clock sale open! / Oceanis / Sailing Yachts / News - BENETEAU

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Recent Bennies are probably decent, but I wonder about say from 1988-2002 - which models to focus on...and between 30-40 feet? I think the 40+ should probably be a lesser concern but what do i know. Outside of the FIRST 38, Problem with all of them is that they don't come up on anyone lists - probably because of tankage, storage, and sump issues.
Well I had a 2001 Beneteau 331 for 2+yrs.... sailed her BVI's/St Martin, Azores, Portugal, Med, Azores and UK.... no problems... performed as I wished...
Would I do it/own one again... damn right...
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Re: Can Jeanneau, Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean-Crossing Boats ?

its an interesting subject, I am boat hunting now for a 40-44ft , and stilll cant quite decide if its to be a 25 year old classic or a 7-10yr old production for our budget of what will be 90,000 euros give or take a cent! Both will cross oceans, but one is faster according to my research which can be great fun, the other is said to be more solid and a smoother ride! The newer boat may require less maintenence where the older may need more doing to it.....more feed back guys please, best, Pablo
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its an interesting subject, I am boat hunting now for a 40-44ft , and stilll cant quite decide if its to be a 25 year old classic or a 7-10yr old production for our budget of what will be 90,000 euros give or take a cent! Both will cross oceans, but one is faster according to my research which can be great fun, the other is said to be more solid and a smoother ride! The newer boat may require less maintenence where the older may need more doing to it.....more feed back guys please, best, Pablo


As a follow on it would be good to get reaction from anyone who has owned both classic and production, which did you prefer and why? Thanks.
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as far as i can see, ANY boat can cross oceans-- depends on the sailor at the helm.... ask mark j about bendytoys crossing oceans-- he will know best....he DID it!!!!!
for the record-- a while back, a catalina 27 named my sweet lord sailed around the word---- use good judgement and learn to sail well----- it all comes down to the soul at the helm.....
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as far as i can see, ANY boat can cross oceans-- depends on the sailor at the helm.... ask mark j about bendytoys crossing oceans-- he will know best....he DID it!!!!!
for the record-- a while back, a catalina 27 named my sweet lord sailed around the word---- use good judgement and learn to sail well----- it all comes down to the soul at the helm.....

Thanks Zeehag, I know all about the quality of the sailor, etc......OK, lets me put it another way, if you had a choice, which would you pick, the 7-10yr production or the 25 year classic? Mark, I would be very intersted to hear what you would choose if you had the choice?
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Thanks Zeehag, I know all about the quality of the sailor, etc......OK, lets me put it another way, if you had a choice, which would you pick, the 7-10yr production or the 25 year classic? Mark, I would be very intersted to hear what you would choose if you had the choice?
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Sorry its nothing but bait. If you dig into the site a bit you will see they only have 5 * 43' and 1 * 50' left. Which makes me wonder if the others that are marked SOLD were ever up for sale anyway.
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Thanks Zeehag, I know all about the quality of the sailor, etc......OK, lets me put it another way, if you had a choice, which would you pick, the 7-10yr production or the 25 year classic? Mark, I would be very intersted to hear what you would choose if you had the choice?
Cash no option. I'd go for a new boat.
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Cash no option. I'd go for a new boat.


Its a budget of around 90,000 euros to spend on a 25yr old classic or a 7-10yr old production.......when I did my Day Skipper course last week one guy insisted that the boat we were on (7yr old Bavaria 44) would not be comfortable on ocean crossing, nore would it be long term solid in heavy crossings! Its been difficult to get an answer really, am looking I guess for the person who has traveled in both types of boats to share the experience!
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Re: Can Jeanneau, Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean-Crossing Boats ?

All 3 manufacturer of boats are good for an ocean crossing, but again I think it varies from boat to boat on maintenance and reconfiguring needs in the lines. It will be difficult to ask a question because these manufacturers have so many different models and I think to find an owner with OWNER experience on each model or on more than one would prove difficult. I like all 3 manufacturers because of the hull nose shape and the interior, but I don't particularly like scoops that will slap in a roll at anchor. Thats a different taste.

When you start talking about reasonable money such as 90k euro for a boat the differences are slight - new vs old. I would still go with a newer boat if these are the only manufacturers you are interested in. Manufacturers learn from their mistakes and improve. New materials come to market that are stronger and lighter. But remember, you will need to outfit either one and be budgeted for it. And I think new or old isn't the argument as the costs will be the same there.

You can also check the ARC and TRANSPAC rallies and see what people are sailing on.

Where it becomes an issue for me is costs - poor boaties like me who don't have 90k euro in my wallet eager to spend
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its an interesting subject, I am boat hunting now for a 40-44ft , and stilll cant quite decide if its to be a 25 year old classic or a 7-10yr old production for our budget of what will be 90,000 euros give or take a cent! Both will cross oceans, but one is faster according to my research which can be great fun, the other is said to be more solid and a smoother ride! The newer boat may require less maintenence where the older may need more doing to it.....more feed back guys please, best, Pablo
In reply to your question -it gets down to the condition and outfitting of specific boats. A 10 y.o. production boat poorly maintained may need more refitting than a 30 y.o. classic that has been well maintained and fitted-out for passage making. Until you have specific boats to compare, it's all academic!
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In reply to your question -it gets down to the condition and outfitting of specific boats. A 10 y.o. production boat poorly maintained may need more refitting than a 30 y.o. classic that has been well maintained and fitted-out for passage making. Until you have specific boats to compare, it's all academic!
at 90,000 euros, I doub't you're gonna see poor maintenance. If you do see hints, you know they are crooks so run away.
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