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Old 13-12-2015, 14:37   #61
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

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Is it just me who thinks that the a/chain of my home should have no potentially weak links.
Every system has a "weakest link" . That's a fact of nature. Nowhere will you find an engineering solution where all components have exactly the same strength.

With an anchoring system, if it's not a C link, it may be a snubber or an anchor fastening or....

It's just a case of identifying which is the weakest point in your system and making sure that it is strong enough for the purpose.
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Old 13-12-2015, 14:45   #62
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

Yes you can. I sought advice from a chain manufacturer and they suggested I use those "C" type, where you assemble both parts, then hammer the bosses down into the recesses. Only caveat; My chain is 5/16" BBB hi test and the joining link is BBB std. So that's the working load that I consider when anchoring. It has been more than adequate for my 14,000lb boat.
Hasn't been a problem so far, doesn't jump the wild cat, has held in about 30 odd knots of wind.
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

Patprice: If better centering of the chain fall isn't enough then you can do what I have to do with my small chain locker. I take a length of pipe forward when doing chain recovery. Every 50' or so I stop the windlass, put half the pipe down the naval pipe and use that lever to knock down the chain pile. Simple and fast. Of course it would be better if I had a taller chain locker, just never going to happen on my 31'.

Brianlara3: Posters don't always defend their positions in the most social manner so sometimes we have to wade through a bit of attitude and personalities. As you can see there is a lot of thoughtful info on CF so take the good info, make your own decisions, and ignore the rest. Or treat it as perverse entertainment.

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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

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My Bavaria 42 (2000 Cruiser) in Greece came to me with 40 metres of 5/16" chain. I found this was not enough on many occasions for "Med style" stern to anchoring. I added 20 metres and made the join with a C link. When I get back to Greece in May I must have a look at that link. Thanks to this thread for the reminder.
Adding that extra chain did cause a related issue. With the added chain, on retrieval the chain heaps up and jams the windlass. One has to watch the chain very carefully and knock the rising pile of chain over with a stick. I have noticed many other yachts also doing just this.
The chain locker in the B42 is quite large but the chain is dropped at the rear vertical wall of the locker and the pile "climbs" up this wall. Maybe it needs some kind of a lead to make the chain drop further forward in the middle of the locker.
Has anyone found a fix?
This is the expensive "fix"
Force 4 Chain Boy

Have heard that others have successfully used a small traffic cone placed under the spurling pipe (or chain deck entry), chain lands on top of the cone and then spreads around it.
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

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................................. I need it to run though the anchor winch like the rest of the chain. ...................."
I read through this entire thread wondering if anyone had addressed another variable, - the nature of the windlass. I did not see any mention of this. For many years I've bought a shot of chain and added it to my length while discarding the most worn or corroded portion. I always link my shots of chain with a pair of the same gauge moused Crosby shackles. This does not result in a weaker location at the link and there is a barely noticeable "click" when the shackles skip across my gypsy.



I favor the robust and simple manual windlass that does not jam or fail to function with a bit of different linkage. .... yes, it requires my energy, but when I'm working the handle I think of it as my gym membership! 'never lets me down!
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

I think a shackle would turn the majority of windlasses into a pile of slag. I know the two we have had would never pass a shackle.

If the windlass is removed from the equation, there are lots of good ways to connect chain shots. Probably even some Terra Nova would agree with.

But for most windlasses, it is C-link.

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...Probably even some Terra Nova would agree with...
Only if you disagree with them.
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

MarkJ. Young man, I got your point correctly alright....you mocked Terra, suggesting (covertly) that he knew nothing, proven by the fact that he doesn't even own a boat.
AND, YOU missed the point....duh...I wasnt suggesting, at all, at all, that boat builders know ONLY...about how to build boats! OMG! CAP'N LLOYD.
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Thanks for your kindness, seriously.
Please forgive me for posting a bit of 'tongue in cheek' there.
Actually been on the hook for six years and whilst I've not yet had to anchor off a Tasman Sea beach (Bondi) lee shore in 50+ feet and 50kn winds, I can and what's more nothings going to wake me up.
In various coastal harbours here in OZ, eg, Eden, Bateman's Bay, Sydney Harbour and others, I've in 50 feet @ gusting 50 too bloody often, last April we had those conditions and gusting 70 for 3 days but I had a bit of shelter...and still, I sleep. Albeit in a cork! ! ! cork!
Please, seriously, if you will, always keep an eye on me. I need it and am grateful to you.
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Stu, "mums the word" OK? Tell no one about the above cause the kind of flak Ive seen on CF would kill this Vietnam Vet (9 Batallion).(grunt).
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

C links should be called "leap of faith links". You have no idea how corroded those 2 little pins are but you still trust it.
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

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Every system has a "weakest link" . That's a fact of nature. Nowhere will you find an engineering solution where all components have exactly the same strength.

With an anchoring system, if it's not a C link, it may be a snubber or an anchor fastening or....

It's just a case of identifying which is the weakest point in your system and making sure that it is strong enough for the purpose.
Well said Stu.
I get the feeling that I could take my pet glacier to the park, and teach it to fetch a stick, come back and find everyone still in there corners, FOLKS its a discussion.
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

Serious question . If replacing your chain, and you are anchored out or on a mooring, how do you lift/transfer 200kg of chain to boat??
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

From your dink.
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From your dink.
So, metre by metre into the dink (tender), then drag up on deck, metre by metre, hopefully without sinking the tender? Have I got this right?
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

Plenty of fat guy's weigh 250. I see several fat guy's in one dinghy all the time. Replace 1 or 2 fat guy's with chain, no problem.
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Re: Can I extend my anchor chain?

And to get it out of the dink you tie a few metres of rope to the chain, then one guy lifts the chain onto the gypsy then presses the UP button.
And if I can do it alone........the dink stays put unattended but relieved.
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