Next week I’m travelling to Croatia
to ‘boat hunt’. I have some sailing experience, but built up most experience skippering motor
yachts for several years. So Im looking for some 'expert' advice from you when it comes to evaluate a second hand Beneteau Oceanis
I found out a Bennie Oceanis
411, 423 or possibly a 473 from building year 2000 and upwards suits all my
needs, and is within my budget
. Read: my personal price/quality winner.
[Please note I don’t want to start a discussion about the quality / Blue water
suitability of Beneteau
or other brands]
I’m looking to spent around 50.000 euro, all inc
. for the initial purchase
. (Willing to pay the right price
for the right boat, though)
My keywords on yachtworld were:
Length: 12-15 m
Year: 1999 – 2010
: 40.000 – 90.000 Euro
and later: Croatia
As a result, I found nearly all ex-charter yachts. At first I wouldn’t even consider ex-charters. But now, I’m willing to take a look at them anyway, just to eliminate them from my search in the worst case. Figured the cost of the plane ticket would finally bring some piece of mind. Their asking prices often are in the 50000 – 65000 euro range (Excl. VAT) . So, I should be able to buy one for 40-45.000 euro… I hope. Maybe this is a bit too optimistic. Any experiences on this matter anyone?
In Croatia, most charter
yachts hardly ever sailed – they are mainly being used by large groups of (young) people who spent a week on it drinking, BBQing, snorkeling and motoring it around from marina to marina and anchoring
in the occasional bay. With other words: A big probability for hull
damages, dents, etc. I’m willing to ignore these as long they’re not structural (keel, bottom, etc.).
For what it’s worth, chartering companies claim boats are annually, thoroughly maintained. Think: engine
& sail revisions, sail replacements
, new saloons, (basic) navigation equipment
updated, running rigging replacements
Before heading to Croatia, I’m trying to compose a short list of things to be (visually) inspected by myself (with no tools at hand)
– specifically things which are susceptible to wear on the (European built) Oceanis 411 and 423 – before calling in a surveyor
. Also, I’m trying to figure out the repair / replace costs of the items involved. I’m a low budget kind of guy, but won’t ignore safety
So far, I came up with a few general things to check, but I’m looking for Oceanis owners to advise me on other things, and thus to complete my list. Also, please comment if my estimated costs are ridiculous / underestimated etc.
[TBC] means To Be Completed (by you guys).
I think it’s nearly impossible to list everything here, but I’m sure you guys think of things I wouldn’t have. Especially some type-specific ‘diseases’ or problems.
It’s my intention to update this post regularly, and so creating an ‘Oceanis buying
guide’ for other forum members to benefit from.
Also; if anyone of you is currently in Croatia and want’s to meet up next week: PM me!
Safe sailings !
My (very limited) list so far:
1. Standing rigging
WHAT TO CHECK: Diameter steel
wire, signs of corrosion
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace all standing rigging
+ add extra forestay
COST: +/- 4000 euro (?)
WHAT TO CHECK: check for cracks, signs of bending (?), [TBC]
WORST CASE SCENARIO: replace mast
/ fix mast
(if that’s even possible..)
COST: No idea, probably buy another boat? [TBC]
WHAT TO CHECK: UV-strip, general condition, eyes, [TBC]
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace mainsail
+ replace Genua
COST: 6000 euro (?)
( the ‘thing’ to block sheets
etc. ?) and running rigging
WHAT TO CHECK: condition of blocks, ropes of running rigging
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace few blocks and ropes
for complete new running rigging: No idea.. Any 411 owners? [TBC]
(hull AND rudder)
WHAT TO CHECK: ‘Vinegar bubbles’ on hull
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Osmosis
treatment COST: Not sure if I’d consider buying
a boat having osmosis
, no idea about the cost and/or success rate of an osmosis treatment. [TBC]
6. Bimini and spray cover
WHAT TO CHECK: General condition of sail material and inox / ss frame work
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace bimini
& spray cover
COST: 3000 euro? No idea… [TBC]
WHAT TO CHECK: Movability, corrosion
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace let’s say 2 winches
COST: 3000 euro ? No idea [TBC]
WHAT TO CHECK: A lot (.. but for initial survey
: General condition, corrosion, foundation bolts, service
records, running hours and probability of reliability
of these, shaft seal
, shaft itself, propeller… [TBC]
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Complete overhaul
EXTREME CASE: Replace complete engine.
: +/- 2000 euro I Replacement: No idea.. 8000 euro, incl. work. hours in Croatia?
9. Saloon, woodwork, matrasses
WHAT TO CHECK: saloon
, floor, cushions
, etc. WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace matrasses, saloon cushions
, curtains, toilet (I’ll replace the cushions and the matrasses anyway)
COST: Looking for someone who replaced all saloon cushions. No idea.. [TBC]
10. Keel bolts
WHAT TO CHECK: Ah yes, the keel bolts
where everybody is talking about… Indeed: What to check about these exactly? Apart from obvious corrosion signs and torque ?
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace keel bolts
COST: Saw another thread on this here, but no price estimates. Anyone? [TBC]
WHAT TO CHECK: Signs of water
in the bilges, condition of epoxy
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Water in the bilges
COST: Good question. What to do if a boat has water in the bilges? Probably check the sail drive seal, keel
bolts, toilet O/B valves, etc. Not sure if water in the bilges has to be a BIG problem? Heard people say they’d never buy a boat with water in the bilges though.[TBC]
12. Navigational equipment
WHAT TO CHECK: Functionality, age, power supply
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Replace essential navigational equipment
COST: This small list contains items which I personally consider necessary for safe navigation
: 3000 euros ? (Yes, I have a certificate..) AIS
transponder: 1000 euros ?
Navigational PC + screen
(12v – waterproof – inside + outside touch screen): 1500 euros?
: I’d very much like one, but this is prob. Out of budget.. 4000 euros incl. modem
package: 1000 euro ? Know of a basic package for this price, but can’t seem to find it right now [TBC]
: should be present.
13. Wind vane
WHAT TO CHECK: nothing, since probably not installed
WORST CASE SCENARIO: New wind vane
COST: 6000 euro (Hydrovane)I consider this the only ‘luxury’ accessory I definitely want.
So far my list...
Hoping to see a lot of comments !