Bruce Roberts barn find- is it worth it?

[Salmoneyes]

Originally Posted by hpeer

At first glance from 4,000 miles that looks very good.

After 38 seconds of review he thing that jumped out st me was the 28,000 displacement. Uh, no. Our 44’ Steel Pape is 40,000# cruising mode. Lists as 37,000#. Our hull is 1/4” keel and 3/16” everything else.

Could be a misprint or miss understanding or the hull is only 10 gage, and even that would not explain the difference.

That about $60,000US. Bears examination.

That got me as well. Our 12m BR has a designed displacement of 28000 and change but crossed the scales at 37 dry and without chain, sails and rigging. We estimated her to be 42k. Turned out they oversized everything on the plans... A reason to be wary.

She would never sail as designed, period. Also, removing and or reducing weight in itself, is not the solution. Thought has to be given to extra ballast. Removing lead is no fun.

Ours is requiring a complete redraw, and engineering. We will have a boat theat will sail as "redrawn" which is making many assumptions.

That said, we are still very happy with our choice, and we will still get the boat we wanted at a price we are willing to pay. (which again, far under buying a new boat, which ours will be.)

[Cadence]

Barn find. I believe Bruce Roberts designs are good. My concern would be the welders ability. It could be like me, and you would be in trouble, looks good but sucks. Has the interior been properly treated against rust. After years the exterior can look great and cancer can be eating it form within.

[wingssail]

If you want a project to sink time and money into for the next 5 years, only to give it up when the heartache is too much, consider this boat, but read and listen to the very excellent comments from FionaJC, Pauls, Dooglas, Velella99 and several others. They speak from experience.

If you want to go sailing, or even to just liveaboard and sail once in a while anytime soon, buy a used boat which is ready to go.

Steel? 28000lbs? Forget it.

Me, I'm not builder, I'm a sailor. I bought a 43' 18,000lb boat, sailed it that week, moved aboard that month, and now, 32 years and 55,000 miles later, (and after about 500 races, but never mind that) we still have it, still live on it, still sail the heck out of it.

[2savage]

I'm on my 9th or 10th boat. Here's what I have learned.

1) Buy something that is turnkey and ready to go. To do otherwise you end up spending $30K more than a similar turnkey boat.

2) Never build it or buy new. You will loose lots of $$$$$

3) It's a buyers market due to a shrinking base of participants


4) Yachtworld is your friend. Just keep looking.

My current boat was damaged in a storm and I repaired it. Cost $34,000 and I still need a roller furler and a dodger so figure $40,000 by the time its back to where it was. You can buy a really nice boat for much less but I have too much history with this boat so decided to fix and keep. Sentiment costs!!

[jimisbell]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Jim,
Are you going by actual weight, as on a scale, or from the designers notes?

Our Brewer design says 13,000 but she weighed 16,000 at launch according to the PO.

Its been 12 years now and I dont remember where that number came from but we used 17 tons as the floating weight whenever any paper work required it.