Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 23-06-2006, 07:05   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Norfolk, UK and Turkey
Boat: beneteau 423
Posts: 51
Bruce Roberts 434 ?

Iv'e been looking at a Bruce Roberts 434, 43' steel hull, appears to be well constructed, in reasonable condition. I know all the pos and cons of steel, build quality eytc etc, however my question is- assuming the boat quality is OK, what about the basic design? Does anybody have any experience or data on Bruce Roberts designs- I can't find anyting around STIX etc on their website
Cheers
Bryan
__________________

__________________
bryan and wendy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-06-2006, 09:18   #2
Registered User

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2
hi i have a bruce roberts 43 mauritious(spelling wrong) fiberglass though great boat , i have sailed from st maarten to trinidad and back and down again,been in heavy weather,and she is a great sea boat, had 11 knots out of her in a storm,the layout is great roomy and huge aft cabin with seperate head and shower, a bit crap to windward because of the keel but i love it
__________________

__________________
watermelon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-06-2006, 13:28   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
Alan Wheeler's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Marlborough Sounds. New Zealand
Boat: Hartley Tahitian 45ft. Leisure Lady
Posts: 8,038
Images: 102
A very well recognised name down in these here parts. Probably the most recognised in steel design. If you see a steel boat down here in NZ or Oz, it more than likely would be a Roberts. I don't think you can compare them to modern designs, but for a steel boat of that era, they are just as good as anything else around. His designs have seen many Kiwis and Ozies sail the world with no problems.
__________________
Wheels

For God so loved the world..........He didn't send a committee.
Alan Wheeler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2006, 11:19   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,156
If I were committed to voyaging exclusively, I would prefer a steel hull. I have friends who cruise in a Roberts that they built themselves, basically a Roberts 40 footer with a custom interior and a deckhouse, with heavier steel than most and they swear by it. My impression is it's not a particularly quick boat, but extremely seaworthy and comfortable.
__________________
speedoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-06-2006, 07:01   #5
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,525
I agree with all the positive comments. Kanter is a top notch builder, and the designs are reputable and seaworthy. The real issues here in looking to purchase are the following:

1) The boat will be a DOG. It will not be very quick under sail. You will have to take into account the give/take between safely being able to avoid weather in a fast boat, or slogging through it in this boat. I actually looked at the Kanter, but decided on a faster boat.

2) Resale value and ability resell will be inconsistent. You may or may not find an interested party. Depends on luck.
__________________
ssullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2006, 21:19   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Third Coast, TEXAS
Boat: Gulfstar 36 Motorsailer & Albin 25 Trawler
Posts: 168
I owned a Bruce Roberts 43 center cockpit ketch. It was a great boat, efficient under power and reasonable under sail. Got 0.9 GPH at hull speed from a Perkins 6-354 Diesel. One important downer. You will find it impossible to sell. I paid $55K for mine and gave it away for $25K four years later when I decided that a ketch of that size was too big to single hand. It was in better shape when I sold it than when I bought it. But unless you are in Europe, where they have more sense, it will not sell. Americans like plastic boats and dont want something that will rust.
__________________
jimisbell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2006, 14:53   #7
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Tasmania
Boat: VandeStadt IOR 40' - Insatiable
Posts: 2,317
Images: 91
As a general rule, Steel Roberts boats are bomb proof motor-sailers. They usually have large engines, because they need them - they are very slow under sail. A friend of mine who used to be a delivery skipper was telling me yesterday about delivering a 50' steelRoberts ketch from Tasmania to the Australian mainland. They had 25 knots right on the beam (i.e. the best possible breeze strength / direction). With main and mizzen main and #1 genoa and staysail jib, they couldn't get the boat to 5 knots, but under motor she did 10....

Good solid dependable seaboats, but slow as all hell.
__________________
Weyalan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2007, 09:32   #8
Registered User
 
Unicorn Dreams's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Clear Lake Marine Services - Seabrook, Texas
Boat: Gulfstar, Mark II Ketch, 43'
Posts: 2,359
Qoute:
A friend of mine who used to be a delivery skipper was telling me yesterday about delivering a 50' steelRoberts ketch from Tasmania to the Australian mainland. They had 25 knots right on the beam (i.e. the best possible breeze strength / direction). With main and mizzen main and #1 genoa and staysail jib, they couldn't get the boat to 5 knots, but under motor she did 10....

Looks like he needs to go and learn how to sail. I have a Spray 36 which is supposed to be a dog, and average around 6 knots under working sails
__________________
Unicorn Dreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-01-2008, 23:11   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1
Roberts 434

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weyalan View Post
As a general rule, Steel Roberts boats are bomb proof motor-sailers. They usually have large engines, because they need them - they are very slow under sail. A friend of mine who used to be a delivery skipper was telling me yesterday about delivering a 50' steelRoberts ketch from Tasmania to the Australian mainland. They had 25 knots right on the beam (i.e. the best possible breeze strength / direction). With main and mizzen main and #1 genoa and staysail jib, they couldn't get the boat to 5 knots, but under motor she did 10....

Good solid dependable seaboats, but slow as all hell.
We have a Roberts 434 steel cutter. We used to have a Formosa 46 - very fast, seaworthy and comfortable boat. (Designed by Doug Peterson) Compared to our F46 our 434is a little sluggish. Compared to other boats out there, she can hold her own. She's heavy, bombproof and we can make 7-8 kts under sail without issue. Rust-schmust - we just scrape and paint. She's currently 3 different colors. Scraping and painting beats brightwork anyday. (at least in my book) No, she doesn't sail with incredible performance like our beloved F46 but when, this last weekend we were in nasty weather off Nor Cal Coast and I felt like we were in a friggin' washing machine, she handled it beautifully. (6-8 foot swell, howling winds, cresting waves coming from every direction - yuck!) We've got a 65 Horse Yanmar - she motors well and she sails well with her new suit of sails and low aspect rig. She's stiff, fairly comfortable, very seaworthy and did I mention BOMB PROOF? I love our BR 434. Oh and below decks - a dream - more room than our F46. We just need some hand-holds...got a little bruised up on our last trip....
__________________
funkadelic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2009, 05:00   #10
Registered User
 
offrd2001's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Wilmington, NC
Boat: Formosa Transworld 41 - Ago Vita
Posts: 31
Send a message via Yahoo to offrd2001
Bryan and Wendy,

I am also looking at buying a BR steel Offshore 44. It was gutted my the current owner and has to be re-fitted BUT... I love the designs he puts out and like all the others have said, bombproof. Im looking forward to whats to come.
__________________
offrd2001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-08-2009, 23:29   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 35
I have a 36ft Spray Gaff cutter. She is wholly stable in bad conditions...needs a fair breeze to get her going. I recently saw 9.3 (very unusual)..on a beam reach...we were going like hell...Normal average in 18 to 20 knots of breeze is high 6's..So...If you cant get yours to go well...a good look at the sail trim and set up is in order. I have spent some time on ballast trim and this has paid off in spades...
She has a 42hp Mercedes...easily enough...6.5 cruising speed at 3litres per hour...A superb boat all round.
__________________
Jerry Cox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-12-2009, 00:18   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Cox View Post
I have a 36ft Spray Gaff cutter. She is wholly stable in bad conditions...needs a fair breeze to get her going. I recently saw 9.3 (very unusual)..on a beam reach...we were going like hell...Normal average in 18 to 20 knots of breeze is high 6's..So...If you cant get yours to go well...a good look at the sail trim and set up is in order. I have spent some time on ballast trim and this has paid off in spades...
She has a 42hp Mercedes...easily enough...6.5 cruising speed at 3litres per hour...A superb boat all round.
People who bag Sprays have either never owned on or never sailed on one. I had a 40 foot steel poop deck Spray cutter which hit 8 knots, under sail only, a few times during a friendly - in 18-20 knot wind forward of the beam (check the flag). Could easily get 6 knots in a reasonable 10-15 knot breeze, and she would ghost along in flat water at a few knots with barely a whisper of wind. Here's me on my Spray on Moreton Bay, Queensland - note the low heel angle - another Spray plus. Sprays are excellent cruising boats - just ask a Spray owner! See more on www.slocumspraysociety.asn.au
__________________
GeoffRob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-12-2009, 06:52   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 35
Good to hear from another Spray fan. My wife and I have completed our first season in the Med this year and have had such fun. She is so suitable for everything we need. We are starting a charter business here in Greece (Methoni) and spent all last summer taking people out on freebees...for PR...and the response/feedback was wholly positive. Shs is almost unused from new and really looks the part as well as sailing very well. The stability ws commented on all the time as was the smooth running and sailing was perfect for nervous passengers. ..

So all in all...for me .. and for everyone else..the perfect boat.
Cheers..Jerry Cox
__________________
Jerry Cox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-12-2009, 03:37   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Norfolk, UK and Turkey
Boat: beneteau 423
Posts: 51
Hi Jerry,
Good luck with the charter business, I hope it works out well for you, and the Roberts continues to perform well.
We eventually did buy a boat, however for resaons too complex to explain here, ended up with a Beneteau 43 which is now based near Bodrum in Turkey, and we have put it on charter with a local company until we are ready to sail full time, which will be this year. So it looks like there will be no round the world sailing for us in the Beneteau, will most likely stick to the med, but never mind-it's a big place! We have entered the EMYR which we are looking forward to.
Is see you are in the north west Aegean, not an area we have visited as yet- limited time to date coupled with the Meltemi-however if we do get up there, it would be good to get together and see what we are missing with the Roberts!
cheers
Bryan
__________________
bryan and wendy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-12-2009, 04:01   #15
Registered User
 
Albro359's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Elyse is in Fiji
Boat: Amel Super Maramu 2000
Posts: 510

Roberts reputation is no good to winward and even slow down wind...leeway is a big problem...

I had one....once ....never again !!

__________________

__________________
Albro359 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bruce roberts

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hello from a Former Roberts 434 Builder Tin Can Meets & Greets 9 16-03-2011 09:31
Roberts 434 mahdee Monohull Sailboats 1 11-02-2011 03:48
For Sale: Roberts 434 Steel Cruising Sailboat patrisage Classifieds Archive 0 16-09-2010 13:21
For Sale: Bruce Roberts 65 freetime Classifieds Archive 2 12-01-2010 15:42
Bruce Roberts 65 For Sale... freetime Classifieds Archive 1 28-08-2009 05:40



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 23:05.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.