Originally Posted by downunder
What you are saying simply is that anyone who does not agree with your choice of vessel is wrong. You appear to need validation that your choice is correct and the best.
Its that simple.
Simple? You mean simple minded. Downunder, you are missing my point. I never said or allude to what you said and I certainly do not need anyone’s validation concerning my choice of a boat.
What we have here is best described by someone who said we are dealing with left and right brainers. And he’s right.
Lets remember the OP’s question i.e.; is the Catalina 315 a Blue Water boat? My definition of a Blue Water boat: one that can take you safely across oceans in extreme conditions.
Some Right Brainer replies as they apply to the original question.
The simple fact is that most production boats HAVE demonstrated they can circumnavigate.
(Correct but irrelevant)
The fact is most production are now of a quality that is significantly better then needed.
(Questionable and irrelevant)
Simple features like weight or long keels are not a factor today in deciding a good boat.
(Wrong and irrelevant)
All prudent skippers prepare their boats irrespective of the type of boat.
(Prudent by whose definition? Still irrelevant)
I know of NO seasoned sailors who ignore anything or overlook anything-- the ones I have met and know see ALL and deal with it on a knowledgeable level.
(Tell that to the crew on the Bounty. Irrelevant)
Buy the boat. Sail it. See if you are afraid of it (you won't be). With any boat, including heavy boats, be smart with weather
and just do the trip you want to do. In my opinion it is far more important that a boat is maintained well than who built it.
(Poor advice and irrelevant)
Having crossed oceans and having been knocked and bruised I will say our boat here is not safe enough and not seaworthy
enough but given the voyages we take she is "marginally safe and seaworthy
enough". Twisted? Yes.
(Twisted? Yes but as long as it is just the two of you, Bon Voyage. However, if you have kids
along, reconsider. Just the same, irrelevant)
If people didn't ignore the miniscule possibilities, no one would ever leave their house. Let's get real here! If you think your boat can withstand all unusual or extraordinary conditions, do your family
a favor and make sure your life insurance
premiums are up to date; that is, if you actually sail offshore
(I think he meant ..if your boat "can’t" withstand all unusual or extraordinary conditions make sure your life insurance
premiums are up to date. Good advice but irrelevant)
The boats that I did those migrations with were late '80s Hunters, mid-90s Catalinas, lots of Jeanneaus and Beneteaus and the occasional McGregor.
Just some examples
40 CC (continued on thru the Panama Canal
and on to the east coast)
32 ( a really unruly mid-70s IOR boat - used to race
38 (continued on thru the canal and now live aboard in Scicily)
McGregor 26 (usually 5 full sized adults on board)
(Congratulations but irrelevant because as pointed out a list should be made of those who have come back from the brink. Those are the stories that are relevant to this discussion)
And these take the cake:
What if a meteor lands on your boat? It has happened, not to a boat but to a house. What are your plans for that eventuality? What if you hit an old WWII mine that is drifting around the ocean? If you commute 3 miles to work in rush hour traffic at a top speed of 30 mph do you need a car that is designed to handle a rollover at 100 mph?
(Poor analogy and irrelevant)
It's time to talk about boats being able to survive something more likely to happen - a whale landing on it! This is at least as likely to happen to a "seasoned sailor" as being caught out in these extinction storm events!
(More of the same drivel and totally irrelevant)
What if you decide to ask a REAL question, one worthy of an answer--these things--if they happen--so what-- you wont be here anymore to say "waah poor me" any longer--so , what you want to know about reality????? What if the mechanical shark starring in jaws comes out of the sea and eats you???? if this is the kind of question that you consider about seaworthiness, you have much to learn. you are dissing folks out cruising for these questions???? why??? what is your gain??
(Obviously nothing to gain from what you have to say. Aside from being delusional, irrelevant)
It’s these kinds of irrelevant answers to a simple question that has some ask:
Perhaps the OP is just wondering what boat YOU would choose for BW travel if YOU had a choice.......and WHY.
(That’s not going to happen here because a great number on this forum either have no concept
of what a true Blue Water boat is or would have trouble defending their poor choice of a boat)
Or this question that is basically saying cut the ****, a REAL answer would be appreciated.
As an infrequent, inconsistent posters to these boards, I would just like to present my perception of this discussion for your consideration. I will use an analogy outside of sailing in hopes it will provide an bit of perspective. This thread looks very much like a person looking for advice on an ideal economical option for digging a hole in their backyard for a foundation and basement level addition to their house, and being told that it is the tenacity of the digger that matters, you can technically dig a whole with a fork and your hands. While the response may be technically true 1: It doesn't answer the actual question asked, 2: it is incredibly unhelpful and pretentious, 3: it is off-putting to anyone interested in finding a regular community they can seek advice in.
Take this for what you will. Thankfully, I have found some very helpful and friendly individuals on these boards, so I'll personally stick around.
(We all know how his question wound up. What WAS the conclusion, fork or spoon?)
The best answer to the OP’s question can be answered in Alan Coles book, “Heavy Weather Sailing”. After reading that book you should have the requisite knowledge to know what a True Blue Water Boat is and can make an educated choice.