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Old 25-08-2016, 06:49   #61
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Re: Blue water yacht, size versus type

What was the question?
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Old 25-08-2016, 08:45   #62
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Re: Blue water yacht, size versus type

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What was the question?
Same question that's on CF about every other week.

Folks wanting the right Blue Water Boat.

I was at the beach near the CBBT this am and it was beautiful but not a sailboat to be seen.

I'm thinking everyone was at home on the internet trying to figure out which blue water boat they should buy then where to park it.

If you are sailing singlehanded or short handed and docking your blue water boat a lot, go small!

I went large with my Bristol 27. It's the largest (by 7') and easiest to handle of all the sailboats I've ever owned.

Crossing the bay this weekend though, I think I'd rather have a quicker boat like a Moore 24 or Ranger 28 with spinnaker since the forecast is for lighter winds. My boats have to have a tiller also so I'm a bit limited in size. Depending on which tack I take, I may be in blue water and I may not. Both of these boats will outpoint my plastic classic as well which can save tons of sailing time coming back against a south wind

Sailing near the CBBT, we up here are always concerned with a potential "lee shore" situation. Then there's the shipping channel.

My biggest problem hopefully on this sail will be which book I should take with me on my blue water boat since I'm not bring my laptop.

Maybe I'll reread Under a Raging Sky by Daniel Carney. Read that one yet Monkey?
https://www.fantasticfiction.com/c/d...raging-sky.htm
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Old 25-08-2016, 08:50   #63
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Re: Blue water yacht, size versus type

Oh....

I thought this was the thread about trawlers...
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Old 25-08-2016, 08:59   #64
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Re: Blue water yacht, size versus type

Now the thread has jokes ��
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Re: Blue water yacht, size versus type

This is the new new joke thread.
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Old 25-08-2016, 09:10   #66
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Maybe I'll reread Under a Raging Sky by Daniel Carney. Read that one yet Monkey?
https://www.fantasticfiction.com/c/d...raging-sky.htm
There is no gold in that book. Although THE WILD GEESE is a fun movie.
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Re: Blue water yacht, size versus type

Not that it matters much in this high level debate but the Pacific Seacraft Flicka was designed by Bruce Bingham not Bill Crealock.😘


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Old 25-08-2016, 09:20   #68
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I don't care what boat other people have! I just wonder why some people make so much effort at convincing people their boat choice is best.
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Old 25-08-2016, 09:47   #69
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Not that it matters much in this high level debate but the Pacific Seacraft Flicka was designed by Bruce Bingham not Bill Crealock.😘


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We were talking about the Dana
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Re: Blue water yacht, size versus type

But lets give Bruce his due POS award for his Fantasia pig on water that had a serious design flaw in the keel rudder.

FANTASIA 35 (BINGHAM) sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
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There is no gold in that book. Although THE WILD GEESE is a fun movie.

Maybe you are getting too old to enjoy a book like this Monkey.

I was reading a bit of it this am while anchored. It's really a fun read. I first read it when I was 24. The old man in the book now is about my age.

Plus it touches on the civil war in South Africa. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe

https://www.fantasticfiction.com/c/d...raging-sky.htm
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Bullsh

The question si where do YOU get your facts from?

Its well known the Dana is a POS when it comes to heaving to. Thats why people do THIS which is kinda cool. I've seen at least three boats with this idea:

Yawl rig for a Pacific Seacraft Dana 24

The Dana 24 Sailboat : Bluewaterboats.org

And the problem with the Flicka is that it never can reach it's theoretical hull speed. Try carrying 2 months worth of supplies in that POS.
And your average Beneteau or the like isn't a POS heaving too? I sailed for 1.5 years with friends with a Dana 24. Amazing little boat. Faster than my old 30 footer too. Based on the underbody I would have trouble understanding why it wont heave to.... at least as well as most boats in not too rough conditions. Boats (any) will not heave to in too rough water conditions.
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Would 50 ft Beneteau be still less seaworthy than 38 Island Packet, Tayana or Tartan?
Great beginning mate. Really.

I understand you like 50 ft Benes, right?

Otherwise, you just do not, repeat, do not compare apples with oranges. I believe you might have heard this phrase before even if you do not see what it means.

Compare: an IP 31 vs. an IP 40.
Compare: an IP 31 vs. a Bene 31.
Do not compare: an IP 31 vs. a Bene 40.

Getting my drift?

And even then make sure you do not compare a Tartan 37cb vs. Tartan 3700.

YES. Size matters. All other things equal, bigger boats capsize later. Capsizing is very bad if you want blue water..

YES. Size matter. Bigger boats may/will sail faster. Blue water is vast. Many like to cross it quick.

Etc.

If you are just looking for people who will agree with you that a bigger bene is better than a smaller swan then why not just get out of the locker allright and tell us you want to buy a bene 50 and sail it blue water?

It is just my view. One data point. Draw your own regression line.

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