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Old 30-09-2011, 19:34   #46
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Re: Blue Water Sailing Advice

If you go with a 45+ ft. boat you will be relying on mechanical aids-- power winches, etc.-- because you will be dealing with larger sail areas, taller masts, heavier booms, bigger anchors and generally more powerful forces. Additionally, everything will cost more: spare parts, repairs, the haulouts and the rest. You will pay in many ways for a larger boat.

I prefer a boat that my wife and I can still handle if the wind pipes up and the power goes off. IMHO thats more important than a centerline queen and extra storage space.
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Old 30-09-2011, 19:59   #47
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For what is worth. We have been circumnavigating east to west for 6 years. We started in the Caribbean and are now in the Med. We have a number of friends who are circumnavigating in 38-40' boats. They all say the same thing...they wish they had gotten a bigger boat.

Most people are not in a race while circumnavigating, and rigging to win a race is just not done by anyone we know. You will get a lot more speed and comfort by going bigger. There are some 50+- boats within your budget.

You will find that you will be carrying a lot more weight than you ever imagined that you would. Don't argue with this...it is a fact of life...you will need lots of storage room and capacity.

I am not going to recommend a model of boat because after 6 years in several oceans and many seas in all kinds of weather, I am way too prejudiced. However, if you do not consider "bigger" before you start, keep in contact because I want to know when you change your mind...you will change your mind.

Before you start on your east-west journey you should decide what you are going to do about the fact that Somalie pirates control most of the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Aden. Based on how they took over the Indian Ocean, they will likely control most of the passages to South Africa within 1-2 years.

If we were starting out today from the Caribbean, we would go east - west through the Panama Canal to New Zealand, then turn back to French Polynesia, then to Hawaii, then to the US, then to Mexico and Central America and back through the Panama Canal. Then we would go up the US coast then to the Med, returning eventually to the Caribbean. Frankly, you miss none of the good stuff and you do miss all of the bad stuff...think about this...seriously!

Hope this helps,

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Old 30-09-2011, 23:28   #48
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Re: Blue Water Sailing Advice

Yeap agree with bigger is better, I single handed from New Zealand to Tonga and when it got rough sure wished for a bit more comfort{on a 40ft fero sayer}.and when at anchor wished for more space to stow the beer.so now have a transworld 41 to do the same trip in soon
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:15   #49
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I gotta admit I am still a sucker for the "classics" . Now how's this one for a cruising man's cruiser?

Ta Chiao CT 54 Cutter rigged Ketch 1980 Robert Perry & Ted Hood Ta Chiao Taiwan. Yacht for sale from classic yacht broker..

I'm with you on this one....
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We were able to sail all the boats we had on our list. Contacted the owners and agreed on a daysail. Sure thing we bothered only the people whose boats we shortlisted. The original list of potentials was longer but many boats simply fell out after visual check out and even earlier - after some homework done over google.

The big issue is if a complete newbie will tell the good thing from a tub. But even then they will be able to say which boat they LIKE. Which is in fact a very important factor.

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I like classics too, but this thread is (well at least was) about a racing mans 40 foot cruiser, not a cruising mans cruiser Amati certainly has been highly customized for its original owner, but for me the "stolen identity" factor would not be an issue since the uniqueness would be a positive compared to the uniqueness of a production build. The 50K you would need to spend to make it a true cruiser would make it fairly customized for yourself too in the end. That 54 footer is one nice boat though!
Sorry, I didn't see any mention of racing in the initial post and have not read all the responses. Nonetheless, the biggest dilemma I would have about using a racing design cruising would be with directional stability and control. Classic longer keel cruisers tend to trim better and when the **** hits the fan their heavy displacement and sluggishness can help them from slewing out and broaching. Well at least I know my old girl behaves that way.

In comparison - especially short-handed - you would probably have to spend a lot more time at the helm of a racer and maybe just as much time actually trying to slow her down or even going the right way? This could lead to a lot of frustration and fatigue. Take Sir Francis Chitchester's famous circumnavigation as an example?

Hey, maybe this is going off on a bit of a tangent, so I might go back to that classic boat sight looking for some more "yacht porn"!
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I'm with you on this one....
I got talking to this Aussie bloke who met an ex-US naval Captain in Central America called Captain Black or the likes who had a big multi-hull covered in his personal hand carvings and whittling. Apparently it had to be seen to be believed!

Opps, another tangent!
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Hey everyone - I need help deciding on blue water cruiser in the 40' range. The plan is to liveaboard in Newport, RI for approximately 1 year to shake her down in New England waters. Afterwards, my wife and I plan to circumnavigate generally following the east - west trade route (East Coast, Panama Canal, South Pacific...etc). We'll be in the tropics for most of the time.

I'm budgeting about $350k towards the purchase and re-outfit of the boat. I've setup the following filters to help limit the field:

- Excellent sailing performance (PHRF < 150)
- Comfort & Saftey at sea
- Capsize Ratio < 2.0
- Comfort Ratio > 30
- 2 Berths, large galley (we love to cook!)
- Holds value

Top 4 contenders are:

HR 39, Passport 40, Valiant 42, Norseman 400 Custom

Any thoughts on the boats? What else should I be looking with that budget in mind?

Thanks!
I have a 40 foot hunter, I'll sell for half that
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