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Old 09-05-2010, 10:05   #1
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Big Displacement that Is NOT a Double-Ender ?

I am narrowing my selection down to a few boats models and they are all heavy double enders ala W32, Ingrid, Aries yada yada.....

Obviously, I am looking at heavy displacement vessels but I have not been able to find one that has a "square" transom. I would be happy with a double ender but I would be ecstatic with a similar heavily laid up boat that I could mount davits and/or radar arch on for solar panels.

What boats am I missing that are not double enders, that are heavy displacement blue water capable and have a "square" transom design in the 32' to 40' range?

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The allied seawind is not super heavy (it is for its size 24' wl 30' overall 12k lbs)

haha embarrased thats all i can think of right now but ill add more when i do
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:49   #4
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A quick list:

* Passport 40 - maybe too pricey for your budget, R Perry designed
* Bayfield/Gozzard 36 - gozzards are more recent and modern
* Cabo Rico 34/36/38 - Crealock designed like your 32 Westsail
* Countessa 32 - the closest fit in terms of your other choices?

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Old 12-05-2010, 00:55   #5
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Tradewind 35: Displacement/Length ratio of 500!
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Old 12-05-2010, 17:50   #6
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I appreciate the replies! I have $250k atm but will not be buying for another year so I will have $320k, more or less, when I do make a purchase but that is my cruising kitty as well. I am hoping to spend $50-60k on a vessel and another $20-30k fitting it out if needed. Depending on the condition of the boat, I can mix and match those figures up to $90k.

Anyway, I am adding to my list of boats a few of the above that have been mentioned.

What is considered to be the "low end" of the ratio scale for a boat to be thought of as a heavy displacement cruiser?

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Old 12-05-2010, 22:16   #7
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Already has davits! From the looks of the pics it also has a windgen and solar panels. Bit more $$ than you are wanting to spend though

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...you could always sell one of those non-essential organs.
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Hans Christian "Christina"cutters are not double-enders.
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What is a double ender? What are the advantages (or otherwise) of having one?
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Old 13-05-2010, 01:47   #10
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A double-ender is much like you'd expect:

Bow:



Stern:



Narrow butts and rudders. The advantage is you can't get much more simple in terms of steering ( <--they used the same system). Also, there are those that absolutely LOVE how it looks...which is a big deal. Though I'm of the belief that even if you get an ugly one, if you ride her long enough and she treats you right, you will learn to love her and find the beauty in her.

EDIT: Many sailors also really enjoy the feel of it. There is only a single mechanical linkage so you can really feel the boat and the waves in it.
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Old 13-05-2010, 01:55   #11
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I love having a double ender. I love the look and she seems to ride a bit smoother but that might just be my imagination.
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We are biased as we have put heart and soul into 'Spirit of Sobraon' and love her, however, a well built fiberglass Spray is one of the most comfortable, affordable and underrated world cruising boats available.
At 26 tonne and 56' overall length we easily achieve half wind speed above 10 knots of breeze up to our hull speed of 7.5 knots. She really comes into her own when the seas and winds build above 20 knots. When other start to falter we start to revel as you can see in the video below. We shot this when the winds were 20+ knots gusting to 30 knots with a very choppy 3m beam swell last year. We past a 50' catamaran that was really struggling.


I have not seen Heritage II personally however she appears to be a good example of what can brought for not much money.http://www.bviyachtsales.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=2106812〈=en&slim =broker&&hosturl=bviyachtsales&&ywo=bviyachtsales&


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If you are willing to look at steel boats then I think you will find many options.

Rogue Wave has a very nice 44' Brewer pilothouse in the price range you are talking.

What size/displacement are you considering?
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A double-ender is much like you'd expect:
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What size/displacement are you considering?
Well, I am not as knowlegdable as I should be so it is hard to answer that. I can tell you that I am leaning towards either a Westsail 32 or an Ingrid 38 if I were to purchase a DE'er. The WS32 is 20000#/32'=625 and the Ingrid is 28000#/38'=737.

I talked with someone who is attempting to convince me that these boats are way way more than I need as far as carrying capacity. So far I am not convinced because I wish to carry plenty of tools and spares, not to mention enough stores for long passages and/or away from civilization.

I might just have to come to terms with a smaller displacement in order to have a square/flat transom to mount the the things I feel I need. Its a trade off because there is no perfect boat I guess.

I do like the Morgan 382/3/4's and some of the others that have been mentioned.
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