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Old 16-05-2010, 14:06   #31
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Montisier (sp) thought that the Joshua, at 39' was too big. Just a point of reference.

I like the Brewer Murray 33. There are couple for sail on Yachtworld.

Well done steel hull. Very reasonable prices. 8 to 9 tons displacement. I single hand mine. Long fin keel, skeg rudder, cutter rig.

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Heavy displacement square ender.... Probably not what you wanted though.

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Heavy displacement square ender.... Probably not what you wanted though.
Ha! I just ran the numbers on the Santisima Trinidad. Her D/L ratio is 609.56. The US Sailing calculator classified her as a "heavy displacement cruiser."

Ahem.
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Old 16-05-2010, 15:36   #34
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Heavy displacement square ender.... Probably not what you wanted though.

OMG look at all that firewood!

Actually, if I could buy that beauty within my target boat budget.....I could justify why I go to Walmart dressed in an admirals uniform
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Old 16-05-2010, 17:47   #35
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Heavy displacement square ender.... Probably not what you wanted though.

Why is the bow so broad? Why is the rudder facing fore?

And why is all the rum gone?

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Old 19-12-2010, 00:52   #36
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Both of our boats would probably be considered heavy ,or nearly so, displacement vessels. Personally, I like to consider them seakindly. I would recommend either vessel. Wheather it be the high tapered stern of the Hardin 45, or the canoe stern of the Bob Perry designed Hans Christian 34T. Either vessel is easily capable of sailing themselves with minimal helm imput, and isn't that what cruising is all about, smelling the sea breeze. There are several Hardin 45's currently listed on Yachtworld in your area, and 1 HC 34T here on the westcoast. By the way, our HC 34T will be available in the late spring, due to family size increase,and as a lover of Westsails for over 35 years, I can tell you she is a much better sailing, sturdy, comfortable boat. Good luck in your search.
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Sometimes the builders just dont follow the plans.
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Sorry for you Bob on that, she's still a great boat and I'll miss her. Hope to see you at the rendevous next year, if we're still welcome with the Hardin.
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Check out Cape George Marine Works. They have a whole line of heavy displacement cutters ranging from 22' up to 40'. They're the ones who bought the Bristol Channel Cutter molds when The Sam L. Morse Co. closed its doors.

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The Cape George 36 is a boat I've been lusting after forever. The factory built boats are tres cher and the owner builts are mostly just as expensive and as well built. If you can find one under a $100,000 that is well done, I'd highly reccomend having a look or, if you can afford it, looking at one at any price. The 36 is an Atkins design that was built in wood and sailed well in the light air of the PNW. Cecil Lange adapted it to fiberglass. It's a transom design with outboard rudder and a bowsprit. Typical easy to handle cutter rig with a pretty tall mast.

We built, lived aboard and cruised a W32 in the '70s. Biggest 32' boat you'll ever find and surprizingly quick as long as you don't have to go to weather in light air and a chop. If you are into that look, the Alajuela 38 is the best performing of the Atkins double enders. Its got all lead ballast and a tall stick, even taller on the MkII version for better light air performance. Just look at the Ingrid and the W32 from the bow to see why the longer boats are a better all around performer. The Blue Water and other PNW Ingrids were mostly owner built and nay have iron ballast.

Just did a solo transpac on my Pearson 35.
Averaged over 140 miles per day, 15 day trip from SF to Hilo. Trades never blew more than 15 mph and usually less. The P35 is a much smaller boat, interior volume wise, than a W32 despite it's 3' longer length. It doesn't have the length to displacement of the heavier double enders, either.
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If you are a fan of Bob Perry's work and don't want a double ender why not check out the CheoyLee 35? Or 44 (depending on budget). You can read about them in Bob's book. I have the 35 and like it a lot. Displacement ratio @250, rides like a Cadilac but sails pretty well. Lots of room and a comfy cockpit. Good luck looking!
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Screw the numbers.... they're great sitting on a sofa or on a mooring staying outa the weather... take the boat out in a F5+ and see how she handles... try the real thing then decide... don't heed a bunch of armchair warriors...
Try it yourself... theirs n yours could be a whole different game... I know it is for me
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FYI, I'm looking for a new dink and stumbled on a new Ingrid on Seattle Craigs List $95000!
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Heavy displacement square ender.... Probably not what you wanted though.

That's exactly what I'm looking for! Hmmm ... wonder how she be to single hand if I ran all the lines aft?
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Did I miss seeing Cape Dorys mentioned in this thread? The new ones are Robinhoods - 36' and 40'. CDs have old style lines and accommodations, old style construction and sea-kindliness. But shouldn't a square stern be way down on the needs list? I've seen so many people designing their own homes go crazy because they get stuck on, and limited by the wrong thing.
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