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06-07-2017, 05:19
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
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Originally Posted by Pelagic
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On my Lofrans Titan below, the Red handles are independent brakes for each Gypsy so in this design they are positioned inboard of the Gypsy and clutch, manual retrieval system
So I hope for your Maxwell it doesn't take up any more footprint.
Understand very well how the Dutch handle change orders as I have done projects at De Vries and Royal Huisman., but they probably buy local from Dutch Maxwell Distributer, so it may not be a problem.
Attachment 151320
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Now THAT'S a proper windlass.
Do you have any trouble getting jib sheets snagged in it?
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06-07-2017, 05:25
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#1352
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Once in a while in light winds if I don't control the slack, but the stay sail babystay just forward (where you see the furling pulley) generally keeps it clear.
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06-07-2017, 06:14
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#1353
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
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Originally Posted by Pelagic
Once in a while in light winds if I don't control the slack, but the stay sail babystay just forward (where you see the furling pulley) generally keeps it clear.
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Little quibble on terminology -- staysail doesn't go on a babystay. Aren't you talking about an inner forestay?
But that's a great idea, really great -- to get the windlass BEHIND the inner forestay. That ought to pretty much solve the problem. My windlass is AHEAD of my inner forestay.
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06-07-2017, 06:23
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#1354
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Yes works great,!
I always heard others in the US call the inner forestay that attached at the upper spreader, the 'babystay'
Is that something different?
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06-07-2017, 06:55
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelagic
Yes works great,!
I always heard others in the US call the inner forestay that attached at the upper spreader, the 'babystay'
Is that something different?
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Attached to lower spreader is babystay IMHO.
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06-07-2017, 07:18
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#1356
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelagic
Yes works great,!
I always heard others in the US call the inner forestay that attached at the upper spreader, the 'babystay'
Is that something different?
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As I understand the term, a "babystay" is used exclusively to support the mast and is lower than an inner forestay. "Baby" because it's even lower than an inner forestay. And sails are never put on them.
Dashew calls inner forestays "cutter stays". Ugh! I mention it only to point out that the terminology is used pretty loosely.
Even Selden uses the term "cutter stay":
I guess I'm a real dinosaur. But anyway, you can see from the diagram where the babystay fits in.
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06-07-2017, 11:26
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#1357
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
In my experience, a babystay is useful to prevent mast "pumping", especially with flexible masts as used on race boats (where the backstay tension is frequently changed).
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06-07-2017, 14:57
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#1358
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Many S&S designs of the late 60s and early 70s had single lower shrouds and a babystay to control pumping. Our Yankee 30 was one such, and the babystay was so close to the mast that it was completely unsuited for setting a sail.
Jim
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06-07-2017, 15:33
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Cate
Many S&S designs of the late 60s and early 70s had single lower shrouds and a babystay to control pumping. Our Yankee 30 was one such, and the babystay was so close to the mast that it was completely unsuited for setting a sail.
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Jim, the first time I heard that term was when delivering a S&S 60 ft Aluminum maxi called Sunbird (ex Charisma).
They had a removeable forestay that the racing crew called a babystay.
Delivery was from Vancouver to Antigua ...leaving in December.
Not fun!
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09-07-2017, 01:04
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
That racing crew was wrong. It prbably was a cutter stay.
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09-07-2017, 01:34
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
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Originally Posted by Factor
Too heavy weavis, I like aluminium cats but the cross over in weight happens about 14 meters any less and the aluminium boat is heavier than a composite any more and its lighter, roughly speaking.
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Thanks for that...
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11-07-2017, 01:34
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Boat: Bestevaer 49
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Our stainless steel galley bench tops arrived yesterday. Three SS and one Bubinga section will make up the U of the galley (running around it will be SS, timber, SS, gap for oven, SS)
Each SS one has a waterproof lip on all 4 sides. This will act as a small fiddle, but primarily means any minor spills are contained. Liquid on the floor quickly finds its way into the bilge and can be a mess to clean up. The integrated lip also avoids the need for sealant (this unavoidably deteriorates with age and apart from looking unsightly it can leak).
A similar design (but with a 50mm lip) will be used for the base of the adjacent Refleks heater.
The largest of the bench tops is about 2m long and has two integrated square sinks. The long side exposed to the rest of the salon will have a SS handrail running along its length that will continue around to follow the curve at the rear:
The central galley bench top can be seen in the background:
I am thrilled with this. It is exactly as specified .
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11-07-2017, 03:26
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#1363
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Beautiful!!
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11-07-2017, 04:25
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelagic
Beautiful!!
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The only problem with them is that they are too nice to use
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11-07-2017, 04:32
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#1365
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Re: Bestevaer 49ST
I would probably roll out some kind of rubber non skid matting to protect the finish from any scratches any time I used the counters.
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