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Old 14-10-2016, 22:01   #1111
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Two days ago we were sailing acrossMoreton Bay. Suddenly on the AIS screen, up pops a class B on a collision course. The incoming's name was "Bestevaer"! Hot Damn, I thought, we'll get a look at another neat boat. Pointed it out to Ann, and we both watched as the range wound down. The yacht was bows on to us, so not very much to look at until we passed, perhaps 100 meters apart. Imagine our disappointment when it turned out to be a Bavaria 36! WTF??

Anyhow, now we have some more neat photos to peruse... thankks, guys!

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Two days ago we were sailing acrossMoreton Bay. Suddenly on the AIS screen, up pops a class B on a collision course. The incoming's name was "Bestevaer"! Hot Damn, I thought, we'll get a look at another neat boat. Pointed it out to Ann, and we both watched as the range wound down. The yacht was bows on to us, so not very much to look at until we passed, perhaps 100 meters apart. Imagine our disappointment when it turned out to be a Bavaria 36! WTF??

Anyhow, now we have some more neat photos to peruse... thankks, guys!

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Old 15-10-2016, 01:01   #1113
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What a wonderful experience!

I can just imagine the night dreams you both are having, with visions of frames and gussets , then appendages and recognizing features, as your baby's gestation period evolves thru the yard photos and drawings.

Really appreciate your sharing of the build process....
I feel incredibly luckliy to have the opportunity to fulfill this longstanding dream. Part of every sailing holiday for a few decades was spent with pad and pencil and my "architect's" ruler (one of those 3 sided ones) and a calculator, scribbling boat plans and then trying to figure out how we could achieve early retirement and the purchase of a boat.

It has been a long process fully customising a boat. It is two and a half years now since we visited a few boatbuilders in Europe and started the design process, drafting our specifications then signing in March of 2015 to have plans and full specs drawn up.

It has been a constant challenge weighing up the pros and cons of various options. Something like the standpipes is a no brainer, but many choices are difficult. Safety, good sailing performance, quality, reliability, ease of maintenance, beauty, comfort and unfortunately above all, expense, need to be balanced. Lots of these conflict, sometimes dramatically. We are going for a larger boat than we can comfortably afford, so keeping a close eye on cost has been needed. It is partly a curse really appreciating quality.

At times the mind has been absolutley buzzing and this past week with checking the interior has been one of these. We seem to be living and breathing boat plans at the moment .

Each time photos arrive, it is a bit like one of those "spot the difference" picture challenges . The little details that we pick up, some unexpected, show the attention and care that is being lavished and it is so enjoyable finding these.

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Old 15-10-2016, 01:12   #1114
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Two days ago we were sailing acrossMoreton Bay. Suddenly on the AIS screen, up pops a class B on a collision course. The incoming's name was "Bestevaer"! Hot Damn, I thought, we'll get a look at another neat boat. Pointed it out to Ann, and we both watched as the range wound down. The yacht was bows on to us, so not very much to look at until we passed, perhaps 100 meters apart. Imagine our disappointment when it turned out to be a Bavaria 36! WTF??

Anyhow, now we have some more neat photos to peruse... thankks, guys!

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They must have been Dutch owners .
It is a nickname that was given to the most admired and skilled Dutch admiral in history, and one who was apparently loved by his crew (that must be a first ). Gerard Dijkstra's prior boat was named Bestevaer and the current one Bestevaer II (KM then used this name for the whole range). I guess over the last few centuries it has been a common Dutch boat name.

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I just made a bacon sandwich.
It was the bestevaer!!



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I just made a bacon sandwich.
It was the bestevaer!!



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I just made pan fried bread with Dutch crunchy peanut butter and Greek thyme honey and I think munching this in bed while sipping Aeropress Italian coffee is the bestevaer!

A very indulgent late breakfast here .
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I just made pan fried bread with Dutch crunchy peanut butter and Greek thyme honey and I think munching this in bed while sipping Aeropress Italian coffee is the bestevaer!

A very indulgent late breakfast here .
I never could do breakfast in bed.... too many crumbs and .... well , just doesnt appeal...
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Old 15-10-2016, 03:06   #1118
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Yachts rarely have enough outside storage. I think if customers oohed and aahed over the lockers instead of the spacious interior of boats during boat shows, this issue would in time be addressed. I bet most people actually find it a problem and this is witnessed by the extraordinary amount of clutter strapped onto the decks of many cruising boats.

You need room to store lots of gear like sails, dive gear, water toys, etc that is not suitable to be put inside the main cabin. Our current boat has heaps of outside storage and it is a feature we appreciate tremendously.

The new boat will have a large "garage" at the rear, as well as a 3 m long forepeak locker.

This photo shows part of the "garage" with a cockpit seat open. It is big enough to climb into and you can just see the edge of one of the "5 tread" steps on the left hand side of the photo that has been covered in cardboard during construction.

You can also see the large 1200 x 500 mm tray with a waterproof rim. This is for our watermaker.

We will be installing another Spectra unit. The one on our current boat has been super reliable. By installing the watermaker on a waterproof tray like this, any spills which invariably occur when servicing the unit are contained where they can be easiliy mopped up. Once again, this is another feature from our current boat that we wanted to duplicate:


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What is the estimate of your boats weight empty, and what do you think it will be when you load it?
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What is the estimate of your boats weight empty, and what do you think it will be when you load it?
The figure for "empty" is probably not that useful.
The displacement has been given as 19 tons.
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The figure for "empty" is probably not that useful.
The displacement has been given as 19 tons.
Not as heavy as I thought....
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Not as heavy as I thought....
The beefier construction adds to the weight and cost, but not nearly as much as expected. Yes, it will slow us down, but not enough to be the primary concern. The Bestevaers are not slow boats - Dijkstra is passionate about ocean racing (he is also highly experienced, including single handed ocean racing) and his designs reflect this. The first boat in the Bestevaer range was designed for his own personal use and 12 years later he is still sailing her.

One bonus of going with a much bigger boat than "needed" and constructing it sturdily is that you get greater safety, speed and motion comfort and heaps more storage space than on a smaller boat. Only outfitting the central part of the interior reduces costs dramatically and you live in a short, wide space, which I think is more pleasant than a long skinny one. Being content living without most of the bells and whistles, and instead going for quality construction and fittings is also our preference.

Anyway, that has been the thinking behind our choices.

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I think if I left that in your hands the size would triple .
Belay original offer... 2.6m workbench is more than adequate accommodations...

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The guest area may be a bit skimpy by some standards, but the worshop isn't .

The heart of the boat is situated adjacent to the engine bay. A 2.6 m long L-shaped aluminium workbench will go along the starboard hull. The removable "5 tread" alu plate floor seen below all belongs in this area. The current workshop we have is in a similar position and invaluable when cruising long term.

The watertight bulkhead at the rear of it separates the living quarters from the "garage" (I refuse to call it a lazarette now that I know how the name originated ).

I love the extra care and trouble taken with small details - check out how the frame has also been covered in 5 tread where it intersects with the floor:




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Those two round discs will be the base of two structural poles at the front of the pilothouse. We have a "void" for about the metre ahead of them where there is extra height at the rear of the salon and galley.

So sitting in the pilothouse we will have a clear view down creating open plan living, rather than segmented areas. The poles are needed to support the pilothouse roof over the open space. They will also serve as excellent handholds.

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Belay original offer... 2.6m workbench is more than adequate accommodations...
My ideal boat has an extra cabin that I can use to store lots of stuff when there are no guests, and a large lazarette that I can use to accomodate some special guests, or when there is no room in the other cabins.
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My ideal boat has an extra cabin that I can use to store lots of stuff when there are no guests, and a large lazarette that I can use to accomodate some special guests, or when there is no room in the other cabins.
Probably the most practical arrangement ...
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