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Old 15-10-2016, 02:42   #1111
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The figure for "empty" is probably not that useful.
The displacement has been given as 19 tons.
Not as heavy as I thought....
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Old 15-10-2016, 03:25   #1112
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Not as heavy as I thought....
The beefier construction adds to the weight and cost, but not nearly as much as expected. Yes, it will slow us down, but not enough to be the primary concern. The Bestevaers are not slow boats - Dijkstra is passionate about ocean racing (he is also highly experienced, including single handed ocean racing) and his designs reflect this. The first boat in the Bestevaer range was designed for his own personal use and 12 years later he is still sailing her.

One bonus of going with a much bigger boat than "needed" and constructing it sturdily is that you get greater safety, speed and motion comfort and heaps more storage space than on a smaller boat. Only outfitting the central part of the interior reduces costs dramatically and you live in a short, wide space, which I think is more pleasant than a long skinny one. Being content living without most of the bells and whistles, and instead going for quality construction and fittings is also our preference.

Anyway, that has been the thinking behind our choices.

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I think if I left that in your hands the size would triple .
Belay original offer... 2.6m workbench is more than adequate accommodations...

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The guest area may be a bit skimpy by some standards, but the worshop isn't .

The heart of the boat is situated adjacent to the engine bay. A 2.6 m long L-shaped aluminium workbench will go along the starboard hull. The removable "5 tread" alu plate floor seen below all belongs in this area. The current workshop we have is in a similar position and invaluable when cruising long term.

The watertight bulkhead at the rear of it separates the living quarters from the "garage" (I refuse to call it a lazarette now that I know how the name originated ).

I love the extra care and trouble taken with small details - check out how the frame has also been covered in 5 tread where it intersects with the floor:




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Hi DeepFrz
Those two round discs will be the base of two structural poles at the front of the pilothouse. We have a "void" for about the metre ahead of them where there is extra height at the rear of the salon and galley.

So sitting in the pilothouse we will have a clear view down creating open plan living, rather than segmented areas. The poles are needed to support the pilothouse roof over the open space. They will also serve as excellent handholds.

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Belay original offer... 2.6m workbench is more than adequate accommodations...
My ideal boat has an extra cabin that I can use to store lots of stuff when there are no guests, and a large lazarette that I can use to accomodate some special guests, or when there is no room in the other cabins.
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My ideal boat has an extra cabin that I can use to store lots of stuff when there are no guests, and a large lazarette that I can use to accomodate some special guests, or when there is no room in the other cabins.
Probably the most practical arrangement ...
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Dismayed at the double post design when clearly 1 post is not only adequate, but dual purpose
Redundancy, mate, redundancy .
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My ideal boat has an extra cabin that I can use to store lots of stuff when there are no guests, and a large lazarette that I can use to accomodate some special guests, or when there is no room in the other cabins.
We have the dinghy for special guests .
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"One hand for the boat" is made hugely easier to adhere to when there are handholds everywhere. This particular handhold was was copied from the aluminium Stadships KM builds, and it runs the length of both the port and starboard combings, just inboard of the winches. By the way, the entire top of that wide combing is 12 mm plate:


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The 12mm plate for the coaming sounds like a good plan, I guess it means you need minimal backing plates for the winches and it makes it very easy to add or shift hardware. It would also distribute all the winch loads into the structure very well. I take it that is the reasons. Still have to design my new cockpit so I am keen for ideas like this. Thanks
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The 12mm plate for the coaming sounds like a good plan, I guess it means you need minimal backing plates for the winches and it makes it very easy to add or shift hardware. It would also distribute all the winch loads into the structure very well. I take it that is the reasons. Still have to design my new cockpit so I am keen for ideas like this. Thanks
No backing at all will be needed in this area with the use of the 12 mm sheet. A simple solution that was KM's idea. Good for all the reasons you give. We like their thinking .

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The next lot of photos has arrived, hot on the heels of the others.

My favourite one in this batch is the front from deck level, the first view we have seen from this angle. Twin double bollards that extend well below deck level have now been welded in. It wasn't clear from the plans exactly how the tube for the gennaker pole would be finished off, so the beautiful workmanship in the integration is so nice to see:


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OMG...

I must have stared at this pic for a full minute taking it all in like a work of art...

Insane...
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OMG...

I must have stared at this pic for a full minute taking it all in like a work of art...

Insane...
Happy, I thought the same thing .

I suspect the workers must be taking some pleasure in this build, both those actually directing the design and the craftsmen welding it. A lot of shortcuts could have been taken here and weren't.

We are thinking of having the welders engrave their names on a piece of alu and weld it somewhere visible, maybe on the rear of the rear bulkhead so that it is seen each time the starboard locker is opened.

They don't get much recognition normally for their skills amd this is definitely not "run of the mill" work.

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Happy, I thought the same thing .

I suspect the workers must be taking some pleasure in this build, both those actually directing the design and the craftsmen welding it. A lot of shortcuts could have been taken here and weren't.

We are thinking of having the welders engrave their names on a piece of alu and weld it somewhere visible, maybe on the rear of the rear bulkhead so that it is seen each time the starboard locker is opened.

They don't get much recognition normally for their skills amd this is definitely not "run of the mill" work.

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Agreed!

They seem to be taking "long cuts" ! Going the route of artfully functional whenever they can... I think your "This vessel Crafted By --- " plaque is a spectacular idea...
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