Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 25-09-2016, 08:38   #1081
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 12,488
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

Quote:
Originally Posted by packeteer View Post
what's that on the side of the rudder?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailmonkey View Post
Are you talking about the fitting to pressure test, or the recess for the anode?
Sailmonkey is correct .

The pipe is for pressure testing the rudder. All sealed areas are pressure tested to ensure there are no nasty surprises later.

Unlike fibreglass rudders, the shaft can be welded onto aluminium rudders. This permanently seals the opening. Fibreglass rudders invariably develop a leak where the shaft enters the top of the rudder. If the rudder fills with water this adds unwanted weight to the stern and creates concern about hidden deterioration of the the interior components.

SWL
__________________

__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
"To me the simple act of tying a knot is an adventure in unlimited space." Clifford Ashley
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-09-2016, 09:44   #1082
Moderator
 
Dockhead's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Cowes (Winter), Baltic (Summer) (the boat!); somewhere in the air (me!)
Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54
Posts: 18,253
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass View Post
Sailmonkey is correct .

The pipe is for pressure testing the rudder. All sealed areas are pressure tested to ensure there are no nasty surprises later.

Unlike fibreglass rudders, the shaft can be welded onto aluminium rudders. This permanently seals the opening. Fibreglass rudders invariably develop a leak where the shaft enters the top of the rudder. If the rudder fills with water this adds unwanted weight to the stern and creates concern about hidden deterioration of the the interior components.

SWL
Rudders on plastic boats are ALWAYS full of water

Yet another reason to love metal boats. The list just keeps getting longer . . .
__________________

__________________
Dockhead is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 25-09-2016, 13:08   #1083
CF Adviser
 
Pelagic's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Boat: Van Helleman Schooner 65ft StarGazer
Posts: 6,400
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

Interesting that your rudder is left empty. I guess one of the benefits of Alloy over Steel.

All the steel rudders I have serviced, including Stargazer, were filled with light oil or diesel.
I guess that is to provide anticorrosion protection on steel.

Never thought before about the pros and cons of leaving the rudder empty....

Thinking out loud:

I don't think the weight is an issue.
Would the harmonics of an empty space create more stress?
Filled with fluid, it would be close to neutral buoyancy allowing easier removal in water.
I like the idea of oil indicating damage if your rudder hit something at sea.

I know the yard will pressure test, but maybe they also put some fluid inside??
__________________
Pelagic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 25-09-2016, 13:37   #1084
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 86
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

thanks for the explanation.
__________________
packeteer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-09-2016, 18:29   #1085
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 86
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

Quote:
Originally Posted by packeteer View Post
thanks for the explanation.
it's much easier to see on my big screen at work
__________________
packeteer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 17:28   #1086
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Seattle
Boat: Wauquiez Centurion 49
Posts: 708
Images: 13
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

More please
__________________
CAELESTIS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2016, 19:09   #1087
Registered User
 
DDabs's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Caribbean
Boat: Caliber 40LRC
Posts: 1,490
Images: 16
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

more aluminum mmmmmm delicious aluminum
__________________
DDabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2016, 19:18   #1088
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Seattle
Boat: Wauquiez Centurion 49
Posts: 708
Images: 13
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

Perhaps they can turn on a webcam AFTER the employees leave? NSA monitoring them regardless . . .
__________________
CAELESTIS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2016, 02:14   #1089
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 12,488
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

The next batch of photos arrived yesterday .
I see several of you have been impatient to see more photos, so you can just imagine how we feel .

We have been flat out this last week going over the first full 3D file of the interior. The drawing apps on the iPad combined with an Apple pencil have been extremely useful. The process has been to describe the changes, take an image of the lap top computer screen for that particular area, add drawings and notes to the image with the Apple pencil and then attach all that to an email. A slow process, but it instantly illustrates what changes need to be made, so hopefully this will save time at KM's end trying to interpret written text.

This morning the last email was sent with the bulk of the comments made so I can take a little break while waiting for the revised files to arrive and indulge in looking at the new photos .

The cabin top going on was just a dress rehearsal. It is back off while more welding is being done.

The standpipes are in. We have these now on our current aluminium boat as well and they are the best solution. These three are the ones for salt water inlet for the galley, sink drain and grey water tank drain. They end above the waterline, but Marlon seacocks will be fitted to each:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3xqopixh.jpg
__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
"To me the simple act of tying a knot is an adventure in unlimited space." Clifford Ashley
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2016, 03:40   #1090
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 12,488
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

The day tank is in as well, just to the rear of the watertight engine bay. An impressive inspection hatch is on one side. The fuel level will be visible, plus it will have an inlet on the top for emergency manual top up of fuel:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/...pself7sejr.jpg
__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
"To me the simple act of tying a knot is an adventure in unlimited space." Clifford Ashley
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2016, 04:46   #1091
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

SLICK city.... I loves me some dedicated standpipes...

If you feel overwhelmed and need somebody to review details and make necessary changes to the guest berthing accommodations... I'd be happy to help....
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2016, 05:19   #1092
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 12,488
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyMdRSailor View Post
If you feel overwhelmed and need somebody to review details and make necessary changes to the guest berthing accommodations... I'd be happy to help....
I think if I left that in your hands the size would triple .
__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
"To me the simple act of tying a knot is an adventure in unlimited space." Clifford Ashley
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2016, 06:14   #1093
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 12,488
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

The guest area may be a bit skimpy by some standards, but the worshop isn't .

The heart of the boat is situated adjacent to the engine bay. A 2.6 m long L-shaped aluminium workbench will go along the starboard hull. The removable "5 tread" alu plate floor seen below all belongs in this area. The current workshop we have is in a similar position and invaluable when cruising long term.

The watertight bulkhead at the rear of it separates the living quarters from the "garage" (I refuse to call it a lazarette now that I know how the name originated ).

I love the extra care and trouble taken with small details - check out how the frame has also been covered in 5 tread where it intersects with the floor:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/...psbahsr2zs.jpg
__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
"To me the simple act of tying a knot is an adventure in unlimited space." Clifford Ashley
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2016, 08:49   #1094
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 12,488
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

This photo gives some indication of the strength of aluminum construction. The area of the hull close to the back of the keel is a spot where there is often damage from hard groundings. The bottom is forced up as the keel strikes. The stuff of nightmares! Here you can see as well as a deep centreline keelson, there are numerous deep transverse frames. Also, the hull plating is an impressive 10 mm thick in this area. Compare this to a production fibreglass boat with a glued hull liner:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/...psiwq3b8yu.jpg
__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
"To me the simple act of tying a knot is an adventure in unlimited space." Clifford Ashley
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2016, 09:15   #1095
Senior Cruiser
 
DeepFrz's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Winnipeg
Boat: None at this time
Posts: 7,619
Re: Bestevaer 49ST

Seaworthy Lass, what is the assembly at the forefront of the picture? The transverse bar with round structure at each end.
__________________

__________________
The Blue Dot Campaign. This Changes Everything.
DeepFrz is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Any Experience / Comments about Bestevaer Design gouralnik Monohull Sailboats 1 27-05-2010 03:21


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:33.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.