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Old 21-11-2017, 15:12   #1681
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Pilothouse windows:

The pilothouse windows are thick tempered glass. This is the most durable solution that is least likely to give future problems.

Modern fashions dictate the edges of these types of windows are hidden behind internal furniture trim. The streamlined flush appearance looks great, but if there are any leaks sometimes major surgery is needed before the windows can be accessed.

We wanted a simple bolt on internal flange that would make future rebedding or even replacment of windows easy. The drawback is that it is difficult to make this sensible and workmanlike solution look attractive.

In the end I think KM have done a great job. They used an anodised aluminium plate so there are no dissimilar metals. The 5mm plate is proper marine grade 5083 aluminium so there should not be any corrosion problems associated with the simple aluminium extrusions that are frequently used. The thick flange and multitude of bolts keeps the windows secure with even pressure.

The flange of the windows has become, I think, a feature of our pilothouse interior. When done well, these types of engineering details do not need to be hidden behind trim.

One Bestevaer owner even specified a glass floor in the pilothouse above the engine so anything is possible.
That looks good. Much better than any attempt to hide functionality behind some decoration.

Your external polycarbonate windows will probably turn out to be useful when moisture starts to condense in those windows in cold weather (I'd like to have such such second windows in my boat).
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My understanding is their windows are tempered glass.

Hi Nolex, great decision on the interior flange finish, can we see a photo of the outside please?
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Old 22-11-2017, 01:44   #1683
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Our watertight door between the salon/galley and owners' cabin made an appearance today for the first time since last year. As with the exposed rim on the pilothouse windows, I love the "industrial" look in contrast to the beautiful timber work. This look will be further softened by leather upholstery, cushions and luxury bedlinen.

We have five seperate watertight compartments. Apparently any two can be flooded and the boat will still float. The watertight door will also be able to be secured from the inside in case of intruders:
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Our watertight door between the salon/galley and owners' cabin made an appearance today for the first time since last year. As with the exposed rim on the pilothouse windows, I love the "industrial" look in contrast to the beautiful timber work. This look will be further softened by leather upholstery, cushions and luxury bedlinen.

We have five seperate watertight compartments. Apparently any two can be flooded and the boat will still float. The watertight door will also be able to be secured from the inside in case of intruders:
If I along with my 5 nasty mates come on board and you both locked yourself behind this door, then we would start our world tour. I take it that this door is not sound proof so if we have any technical questions in the first few weeks....
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Old 22-11-2017, 03:28   #1685
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If I along with my 5 nasty mates come on board and you both locked yourself behind this door, then we would start our world tour. I take it that this door is not sound proof so if we have any technical questions in the first few weeks....
You would need to get the anchor up first .

On the issue of security, the scary thing is that there are reports in some parts of the world that cruisers have been attacked while a simple burglary was in progress.

Providing us a possible safe retreat if thieves boarded was sensible. The VHF or mobile phone in the owners' cabin could be used to call for help. Theft of boat may occur, but is a less likely scenario, particularly for a distinctive boat.

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Lifelines.

Dyneema lifelines were specified. These have the advantantage of reducing the amount of dissimilar metals, which is particuarly important for an aluminium boat.

Dyneema is relatively new in this application and it does require a slightly different design of stanchion. Dyneema is stronger than stainless wiring of the same diameter so some have replaced their stainless lifelines with the same sized Dyneema. However, Dyneema is more effected by UV and chafe so some care is needed.

UV radiation does not penetrate deeply into Dyneema so increasing the diameter has more effect on preserving long term strength than might be expected. Oversizing the line also provides much greater strength so even a significant loss leaves the lifelines with plently of reserve. Oversizing also allows for some chafe before replacement, but here the smoothness of the stanchion's ferrule is important. Oversizing also improves handling.

Unfortunately, most stanchions are designed for stainless wire and will not always except the thicker diameter that should be used if the change to Dyneema is made. It is also important to check the smoothness of the ferrules although sometimes this can be fixed with a polishing wheel.

8mm Dyneema was specified here, which allows for plently of reserve. Our stanchions are beautifully smooth, but the rigger added some protective covering on the top line to further reduce the problem of chafe. Little details like this show the company cares about quality.

I think for most cruising boats uncoated stainless wire is probably the sensible choice, but for a weight sensitive boat like a cat or an aluminium boat where it helpful to reduce the amount of stainless then Dyneema while more expensive is the better choice.
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Lifelines.

Dyneema lifelines were specified. These have the advantantage of reducing the amount of dissimilar metals, which is particuarly important for an aluminium boat.

Dyneema is relatively new in this application and it does require a slightly different design of stanchion. Dyneema is stronger than stainless wiring of the same diameter so some have replaced their stainless lifelines with the same sized Dyneema. However, Dyneema is more effected by UV and chafe so some care is needed.

UV radiation does not penetrate deeply into Dyneema so increasing the diameter has more effect on preserving long term strength than might be expected. Oversizing the line also provides much greater strength so even a significant loss leaves the lifelines with plently of reserve. Oversizing also allows for some chafe before replacement, but here the smoothness of the stanchion's ferrule is important. Oversizing also improves handling.

Unfortunately, most stanchions are designed for stainless wire and will not always except the thicker diameter that should be used if the change to Dyneema is made. It is also important to check the smoothness of the ferrules although sometimes this can be fixed with a polishing wheel.

8mm Dyneema was specified here, which allows for plently of reserve. Our stanchions are beautifully smooth, but the rigger added some protective covering on the top line to further reduce the problem of chafe. Little details like this show the company cares about quality.

I think for most cruising boats uncoated stainless wire is probably the sensible choice, but for a weight sensitive boat like a cat or an aluminium boat where it helpful to reduce the amount of stainless then Dyneema while more expensive is the better choice.
Those stanchions don't even look AL, as polished as they are they appear almost stainless. I'm being nitpicky but I think the ends of those covers could be whipped down. SWL probably has some whipping twine leftover from shackle projects.

I don't think dyneema is more expensive than wire anymore. Just peruse over to Defender and look.

1/4" covered 7x7 wire is 2.50/ft. (the standard)
3/16" uncovered 7x7 wire is 1.59/ft.
5/16" Amsteel Blue is 1.89/ft
1/4" Amsteel Blue is 1.29/ft.
7mm(9/32") New England Ropes STS-WR˛ "wire rope" (really its dyneema sk78 with cover) is 2.11/ft but this is premium stuff since it's covered.

Let's assume no gates for simplicity. That's one turnbuckle per side plus the crimps or whatever fittings are used and those aren't that cheap. And for the synthetic all you need is a low friction ring on one side and a 6-8' length of 1/8" or smaller dyneema to tension.

We'll be switching to synthetic when we get new lifelines (which we need badly) but I believe new stanchions are needed (would need new ones if we were going to wire too).
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1- Remove gasket
2- butter the inside of the PC and the lid
3- Mix up the bread dough. Keep it in the bowl if you're letting it rise twice, and put it in the PC for the second rising. (In cold weather, I light the pilot light in the oven to make a warm place for it rising, or keep the oven warm by adding a pan with lid of boiling water, and keep re-heating the water.)
4- Bake it with the lid on [the gasket being out, heat can escape] in the PC on lowest heat, 45 to 55 min, depending on how large a loaf you're making. Sometimes I make 6-7 c. flour recipes, sometimes 8-10 c. The larger needs a higher capacity PC.
5- When it's done (characteristic hollow sound), tip it out of the PC, and put it back in top down, to brown the top a little, it looks nicer.

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Very similar to how I make it. I don't butter/oil the pan and lid and have had no problems with dough sticking. I also start the baking process with the pc on the highest setting on the smallest burner for five minutes and then turn down to the minimum setting. I've only ever made a four cup recipe in the pc (we eat too much bread otherwise) and it takes 35-40 minutes for perfection to be reached.

I have tried cooking bread under pressure. Not a success for me, stodgy and pale, not at all appetising. But I have read of success elsewhere.
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The boat was launched yesterday, the 6th of December .
It was Saint Nicholas' Day, an auspicious day as Sinterklaas is not only associated with gift giving, but he is also the patron saint of sailors.

Lacking a ceremonial sabre, the top of a champagne bottle was slashed with a kitchen knife. Now I am not normally superstitious (black cats and ladders don't phase me), but to be on the safe side, a champagne offering was made to Poseidon as well . A bough was also laid on the bow to ensure the boat always returns safely to shore.

The engine purred like a kitten and ran beautifully on the trial run into the IJsselmeer. The Refleks heater kept the interior beautifully warm for celebrations afterwards. We still can't wipe the smiles off our faces .

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Please accept my official CF congratulations
Well done guys, you must be so chuffed
Please watch out for PLD - post launch depression
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Huge congratulations, guys! Enjoy....don't crack your faces smiling.

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Thanks so much .

It's OK Wottie. Bestevaers are guaranteed immune from PLD .
What we are in serious danger of, however, is permanent PLE - post launch elation .

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From 7 June 2015:

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Well, what took you so long, guys?

We await reports on sailing qualities and so forth, but for now, be happy and enjoy the fruits of your patience, skills and foresight... you've earned a relaxing sail or two!

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Well, what took you so long, guys?

We await reports on sailing qualities and so forth, but for now, be happy and enjoy the fruits of your patience, skills and foresight... you've earned a relaxing sail or two!

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Thanks Jim .

Plans were commissioned early 2015, but we have dreamed of this build for a little longer than that . Over three decades to be precise .
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