Delux, thanks for the post by Geoff with the link, looks like good material and I'll look into that. I did look at the list and had already considered many listed. Just as to my liking, the Kodiak 26 is a favorite and one is listed in WA state...
Tia Bu that would be the goal, besides something that was ready to go and already shined!
Capt Force, I looked at (on the web) a storm damaged boat missing its lower stern basically, too much for me. I also looked a fire sale
, way too much damage for me.
A man has to know his limitations!
(Thank you Dirty Harry)
My biggest limitation is location. My son recently purchased a 50+ foot Sundancer in FA, on the internet
, had a survey
and others inspected it as well. The broker assured him that it was ready to go. He spent just over $8,000 having it shipped to Texas
, across MS and LA to the DFW area! Then he had transmission
I have concluded that the shipping
estimates on brokerage sites or those shipping links are not telling the whole story, far from it in fact. They don't include costs of permits, escort services, lane closings, lifting power lines if needed or crossing other roadway issues that could be assessed, like fines. At the lake, a 100+ ft. houseboat was finished/built on an abandoned state park and splashed, they were fined thousands for the use as well as roadway violations and the owner said it was cheaper than the alternatives!
Such doesn't take into consideration of some moving companies or transporters that hit you with hidden fees
that have doubled estimates to be paid prior to delivery
, it is truly legalized highway robbery. A one time user of such services has a hard time performing due diligence on a cut rate mover, so it can be a crapshoot.
If you don't live near a pleasure boat meca and have to travle 600, 800 or 1500 miles just to go look, bring your checkbook. I'm about 65 miles east of Kansas, darn close the population center of the country about 40 miles away and about 110 miles west of the Mississippi
. I don't know if I could be further away from ocean capable sailboats!
Now add to the equation that 15k for a purchase
price (due to the budgeted 50k for my little venture). Travel expenses, motels, meals
, etc. would need to come from those funds set aside for any purchase, or rehab depending on condition. Assuming I had a good lead on a nicer boat and I fly to, oh say, Miami
, what happens if that deal goes bust, for any reason, like the seller dropping dead and having to wait on estate issues? I'd stay for awhile with a sence of greater urgency to buy, might find something and might not! The longer one stays on budgeted funds the cheaper the purchase price has to be.
Additionally, if I find a lonesome Swan or Alberg
, 10, 11, 12 ft beamed boat where do I put it? I hit on transporting issues. Am I leaving then, say in January on my expeditionary travels....no. Not sure if heading up the nations sewer line with a wood or fiberglass
boat 600 miles is a good idea. (Some may not realize that the big muddy has flood debris along the banks. You can have submerged telephone poles headed down river for a torpedo bow shot!)
Now, you're mooring a boat. Everyone knows those expenses better than I. Will they allow repairs
in the slip, or does ut need to be hauled out? I suppose sitting on the hard
is cheaper storage
than any slip but there is storage
. Does an out-of-towner live on the boat while repairs
are made, is that allowed? Borrow, beg or buy tools? I could bring some if I knew what to bring, but that's if I had driven down there.
So, here I am living near Miami
, working on a boat, sending checks back home to pay expenses and paying living expenses at my temporary home. How long is this rehab on this great fixer upper? Time would be money. The longer one stays the less that remains in the budget
for your cruising.
I'm sure Miami would be fun, my gf is from Miami but no relaitives remain there. I suppose I'd have to head
back home upon completion or at some point and dispose of back home property, tie up lose ends and head
back to the boat. How much longer should a newbie hang around and learn the operations before taking off up the eastern ICW
I envy those who live near the ocean and the opportunties they have in getting a great deal on a cruiser.
I'm not making excuses so much as pointing out the limitations facing most people who want to "save" money getting a fixer upper and go cruising.
More on topic, the selection of a boat to re-do will largely depend on your location and market, your budget
not only for the boat, but also repair costs, travel and temporary living expenses.
So, if that Luger is the most livable size, fits the budget, is within the repair capabilites of a buyer, is easily transported to your own boat yard for repairs, fits the intended purpose and is the only girl at the dance, seems to me its a good choice.
It's a kit boat, as mentioned above its abilities will depend on who did the work to date. I think that can be determined through due diligence, inspections and talking to previous owners. The hull and deck are probably not in any more question than any other boat built in '85, it's how those parts
were put together, the quality of the build.
It was designed by Ed Monk, a reputable designer
, it may not be his best work, but I'd bet it's not the water hazard some have splashed. Its motion comfort ratio, if you believe in such, is 24.48 matching or better than many well known and proven boats, even larger ones. As to the design, if Matt Layden can sail a ply/glass 13'er and cruise
the eastern ICW
, I'd like to think that I could do the same with a 30' Luger with some seasoning for myself.
The question that remains for the old salts here, considering the pictures provided, is this a doable project, having a better idea of what would need to be done and the costs as well as the costs of preparing the boat?
I may be off on the time necessary for repairs, how many hours do you see?
Considering customary fabrics and materials for a boat like this one, what would you estmate for the interior? I'd cover the exposed ply with veneree, oak or maple, not teak
. I'd sand the sole and finsih it. I have some (plenty) bathroom proof white beadboard and wood trim of various sizes for the ceiling. No hardware
on hand. Would that be acceptable for the finish work?
What would a customary electrical system
for 12v and 110v be for her? Assuming it needs to be wired, I believe there is an existing pannel, I'd get new breakers/fuses.
The head and plumbing
are suppose to be good, I'd like pressurized water and a water heater, any ideas on what that expense might be? It has, or should have sufficient water tankage as well as for fuel
, another fuel tank
may be in order to extend its motoring range.
It appears there is no gas lines or lpg tank for the galley or heater!
Let's not consider hidden defects, at least from the pics. Not that they may not exist but that it would be pure speculation and that exists with any boat.....but, if anyone knows of specific issues with the Luger Voyager, by all means!
What's your best guesstimate?
And thank you for your input!