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Old 03-01-2013, 13:35   #46
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There are some confusion in what is a Pilot house and a Deck saloon boat but assuming that what matters are boats that can be steered from the inside, with autopilot or joystick, I like these, even if they are very different and point to different type of sailors:













These look very nice, but I imagine one would need very deep pockets to afford them!

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Re: Best Pilothouse Sailboat?

The Swedish Fantasi 44PH, no longer being built but occasionally one comes up for sale.
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Old 03-01-2013, 17:40   #48
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These look very nice, but I imagine one would need very deep pockets to afford them!

Less than a new Fantasy 44 (a beautiful boat), most of them.

The RM 1260 is the cheaper of the lot but they have a smaller and less expensive one. The previous model was and is sailed everywhere. You can sail it from the inside.

The smaller one the 1060.



You can see here two guys sailing the previous model (similar boat) from the interior with 30/34K wind.

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The Corbin 39s seem to vary greatly in finish - many owner completed boats?


Yes, you are right, some of the home finished boats are quite amaturish to say the least, however Joint Effort has been professionaly finished by a old world craftsman. his workmanship has been greatly admired by the Hinckley yacht company. After completing Joint Effort; (Zac Zatec) opened his company (European Custom Yachts) in Mass. He was very well regarded in the N.E. for his Yacht work. Zac has since passed on. Joint Effort has been owned by me for 19 years, everyone who has heard about her has asked to come aboard.
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Re: Best Pilothouse Sailboat?

Nauticat has changed its fleet a lot. All three of the traditional motor sailors are designed to Category B. The 525 has taken the place of the 52 and is a Pilothouse yacht, not a motor sailor. It would take deep pockets...

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Nauticat has changed its fleet a lot. All three of the traditional motor sailors are designed to Category B. The 525 has taken the place of the 52 and is a Pilothouse yacht, not a motor sailor. It would take deep pockets...


Like I said earlier, I've been aboard a 525 (Upchuck) and wouldn't trade my 52 for it. Same hull, different deck, house, and interior. All they did to move from "Class B" was remove the sliding pilothouse door, which I think is one of the better features myself. I don't see it sinking the boat in a knockdown. The lower pilothouse roof destroyed the excellent all around visibility, particularly over the bow and astern. It also just feels much more cramped. Same in-mast furling rig and underbody. Performance should be quite similar, I dont think the changes they made reduced the windage all that much, especially with the boat heeled and sailing to weather, when it matters.
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Re: Best Pilothouse Sailboat?

Sorry -- I am the one who added confusion between pilothouse and deck saloon. I really like sitting on a couch inside while on watch, or at anchor, which some deck saloons have. The separate helm inside isn't important enough for our use to be a deciding factor.

Also, I was thinking Boreal when I said Allures, for the cute little mini pilothouses. I think the Boreal 44 pilothouse design is such a good idea for small and medium sized sailboats -- that it's only slightly higher than many dodgers, and the way the forward facing settee makes the whole thing much smaller that you still have a normal cockpit and side decks. There's no separate helm inside, so it wouldn't fit the definition of a pilothouse here.
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Re: Best Pilothouse Sailboat?

Today boats are driven in many ways. A wheel in the house in no longer required to be a pilot house.

My own and viciously biased definition is that on the pilothouse boat you can actually drive the boat from the pilothouse. RS and DS boats are a definitely different batch and many of them are actually very difficult to comfortably control from the RS/DS - unless one likes to stand very erect in an empty space without handholds and with halogen light beaming right into their eyes.

Not to say there are no boats that combine the functions in a very neat way.

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I like the Sceptre 41 or 43 myself. They have a variety of interiors. Here is a link:
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Yes, you are right, some of the home finished boats are quite amaturish to say the least, however Joint Effort has been professionaly finished by a old world craftsman. his workmanship has been greatly admired by the Hinckley yacht company. After completing Joint Effort; (Zac Zatec) opened his company (European Custom Yachts) in Mass. He was very well regarded in the N.E. for his Yacht work. Zac has since passed on. Joint Effort has been owned by me for 19 years, everyone who has heard about her has asked to come aboard.
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Re: Best Pilothouse Sailboat?

You're gonna have to settle for the second best pilothouse sailboat because I already have the best one. Vagabond 39 hull #1 Landfall.
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Baba's, Panda's and Tashiba's were available as PH's.

I believe there is a Baba 35 on yachtworld now.
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Baba's, Panda's and Tashiba's were available as PH's.

I believe there is a Baba 35 on yachtworld now.
Lovely boats, like all Bob Perry designs. . Lots of exterior teak to care for though...
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Re: Best Pilothouse Sailboat?

That thing about the best is a relative one. For me a good one has to sail well and many are just motorsailors at least in light wind, god interior or not.

There are some modern ones that have the same performances of normal modern cruisers and one of them, that is only about 10 years old, that can be bought for not much money, is well built and sails well is the Dehler 41DS. The boat can be sailed from inside with a joystick commanding the autopilot or with one of the new wireless remote controls.

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