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Old 07-03-2013, 18:29   #181
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If anyone is looking for a budget boat, I looked at a 77 Islander 37MS (motor sailor) recently. What a great layout. Still kicking myself for not buying that boat. Repoertedly, these have solid decks, no hull core or deck core, encapsulated keel etc. So big issues are eliminated from the get go.! Engine below the Pilothouse floor and lots of room around it. Be a good budget/project type boat for someone.
Saw one on line. Might be a good boat for the right person. I want two cabins.
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Old 07-03-2013, 19:00   #182
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I think the relationship comes in their apparent quality rather than in their obvious finish.

Seriously though, one can build things in Finland to any standard, same as in China, USA or elsewhere.

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the labor costs in Finland are high, I believe well higher than European Union average. This and the EU-requirements mean one can't manufacture some cheap crap, but you must see that the quality is good. Or at least good enough. Another well known boat made in Finland is Swan. Unfortunately the ownership was sold to Italy but they are still made in Finland. Of course there are various manufacturers, but I bet it would be impossible to manufacture a bad quality in Finland and keep the business running, just too expensive and too much regulation.

About Nauticats, the earlier models were all motorsailors, and I believe the 43 was the first model that Siltala Yachts introduced that had better performance under sail than the previous models. This was about 20-25 years ago.

BTW, looks like Siltala Yachsts have changed the name to Nauticat Yachts
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Old 07-03-2013, 22:32   #183
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Two pics of a custom steel pilot house in the making/renovation.
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Old 09-03-2013, 17:40   #184
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Two pics of a custom steel pilot house in the making/renovation.
Let us have progress reports and photos!
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Old 09-03-2013, 19:01   #185
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Hatteras

Yep, they built three (3)
65'
Hood. Design

http://www.hatterasowners.com/Brochu...65SYA-1083.pdf

Sailed one once
Great boat ...
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:23   #186
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Hatteras

Yep, they built three (3)
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http://www.hatterasowners.com/Brochu...65SYA-1083.pdf

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Awesome. Just the thing for a day sail around the anchorage!
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Old 14-03-2013, 05:19   #187
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The pilothouse on my boat is steel, just like the rest of her. I've often thought it would be better to have the hull steel but pilothouse constructed of timber/grp/other and my reasons are threefold: the alternative material choice first, offers better insulation; second, would reduce interference with the compass; and third would not interfere with satellite communications. With regard to the latter and at the risk of sounding precious, currently I use a small handheld GPS to confirm and chart my location against the fancy plotter - it can be a deterrent to have to go outside the pilothouse in bad weather to hold up my handheld.
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Old 15-03-2013, 22:51   #188
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The pilothouse on my boat is steel, just like the rest of her. I've often thought it would be better to have the hull steel but pilothouse constructed of timber/grp/other and my reasons are threefold: the alternative material choice first, offers better insulation; second, would reduce interference with the compass; and third would not interfere with satellite communications. With regard to the latter and at the risk of sounding precious, currently I use a small handheld GPS to confirm and chart my location against the fancy plotter - it can be a deterrent to have to go outside the pilothouse in bad weather to hold up my handheld.
Aluminum is sometimes used on large ships to save weight in the superstructure.

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Old 13-04-2013, 20:43   #189
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A true pilothouse should have an indoor helm with full controls
Frankly. Don't understand deck or raised saloon

A look at classic boats like the original Cal cruising 46 destined by Bil Lapworth
Or the pan oceanic 46 by Ted brewer shows true pilothouse solid blue water boats
With solid thick heavy fiberglass hulls, all weather off shore boats

These boats are still circling the globe and have withstood the test of time
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Old 14-04-2013, 23:39   #190
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I guess that you may never have seen a Corbin 39, most people would never have guess it is a pilothouse boat. I do not consider myself an expert on yacht design but I am an expert in automobile design. asthetics applies to most products.
I have owned my Corbin for 19 years and still have a hard time considering when to sell her. she is fast, roomy, and pleasing to look at. not to mention a great live aboard boat.
Great to hear!
Just bought one last week,
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Old 14-04-2013, 23:46   #191
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Any reports on the sailing characteristics of this fine craft?

considering the size of the outboard motor, one can easily water ski behind it, love it and I can bet that the owner of that fine craft doesn't own a penny to the bank
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I am currently looking at a (Moody) Carbineer 46 built in Melb in 1980. Search on The "Ketchup" for a review - Laurent Giles design - cutter rig ketch. Solid glass hulls and deck, 20 tonnes, raised saloon with good visibility down over the water, twin helm (inside and out) - built like the proverbial brick ......... Most of the Carbineers from that yard have circumnavigated at least once and still going strong after 30 years. Much better looking than the Carbineers that came out of England. Cost to build in 1980 was over A$1m and estimated cost to build now has been estimated at double that.

The Pittwater built Buizens are solid, beautiful designed vessels as well. The new 52 is well worth a look, if a little pricey.
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considering the size of the outboard motor, one can easily water ski behind it, love it and I can bet that the owner of that fine craft doesn't own a penny to the bank
Not owing a penny is a not inconsiderable asset in a boat description.
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Too many double negatives ...
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Too many double negatives ...
I agree. Worse, IMO, are the posts where the poster cannot write a complete sentence. How do you get it together to buy a large boat without this modest skill?
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