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Polux · 28-01-2013, 06:13

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Originally Posted by westsail374

The Vilms are very pretty and appear to be well built.

Very expensive.

Please explain why you believe they are worth the premium price,.

Because they are well built and not mass market boats

Not a premium price, the boats are not more expensive than the other true pilot/house decksaloon presently in the market, I mean new boats. New boats are expensive regarding old boats for the same reason new cars are expensive regarding old cars.

There are plenty of them specially in North of Europe and all have something in common: expensive.

Another recent one the CR380 DS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpxR42cZS6I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9IjRMVuvh8

Another one, the Sirius 35DS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhy5CoJig4

westsail374 · 28-01-2013, 18:39

Very pretty boats. Look nicely finished.

westsail374 · 30-01-2013, 12:14

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Originally Posted by westsail374

Very pretty boats. Look nicely finished.

Which explains their high cost. Tayana made a 32 foot Pilothouse boat, and there was also a 38 foot Shannon Pilothouse. Does anyone know them?

westsail374 · 11-02-2013, 13:32

What is the difference between a Pilothouse and a deck saloon with an inside steering station?

barnakiel · 11-02-2013, 16:38

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Originally Posted by westsail374

What is the difference between a Pilothouse and a deck saloon with an inside steering station?

I am not certain there is a binding definition.

The way I use the terms is a pilothouse boat has a pilothouse while a deck salon or raised salon does not.

Then an example would be a Bougainvillea, a Fisher, a Bestevaer.

b.

Cheechako · 11-02-2013, 17:05

Saloons are bigger to accomodate a wet bar and Pusser's Rum! Oh and the dancing girls too!... :>)

Pelagic · 11-02-2013, 17:21

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Originally Posted by westsail374

What is the difference between a Pilothouse and a deck saloon with an inside steering station?

To me, by definition a Pilot house must be designed for “Safe Piloting” in good and restricted visibility, 24 hrs. a day.

A deck salon (even with inside steering) can simply be considered as raised accommodation, if not set up to maintain a proper watch.
My post #71 says it better.

westsail374 · 11-02-2013, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Pelagic

To me, by definition a Pilot house must be designed for “Safe Piloting” in good and restricted visibility, 24 hrs. a day.

A deck salon (even with inside steering) can simply be considered as raised accommodation, if not set up to maintain a proper watch.
My post #71 says it better.

Thanks for the reference back to your well-illustrated and presented post#71, Pelagic. In a larger vessel such as yours, more specialized areas are possible. Those with smaller boats must sigh in envy and often make do with multi-purpose space. For many, I think your well set out list is an ideal to strive for.

How to reduce the distractions and set up that space for a proper watch - the "Safe Piloting" ideal that you correctly IMHO see as the desirable ideal?

Cheechako · 12-02-2013, 09:20

Take a look at this Hinkley PH for sale in Wa State. Look at the interior photo looking aft, three easy steps to get below from the pilot house and nice and light down there. I made a list for a friend yesterday and came up with 6 PH boats 40-46 feet under 200k. Half were at ~100K. all appear to be very nice boats.
1985 Hank Hinckley 42 Pilothouse Ketch Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
clik on "full specs" instead of "Photo gallery" and you get all the pics at once....