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Old 16-06-2012, 12:21   #16
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Re: Best blue water sailboat around 40ft ish

And now that I have looked up CSY44 I am not any clearer why one should not be sailed across the Atlantic either.

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Old 16-06-2012, 12:25   #17
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I am not clear why you associate Atlantic with storms?

Believe me, if there are storms there, you should be elsewhere.

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Not to mention that the Atlantic is quite far from the Bering Sea.
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Old 16-06-2012, 12:35   #18
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Re: Best blue water sailboat around 40ft ish

Ive sailed in both the Atlantic, and the Bering Sea, both have Bad storms, so what?? the Idea is to sail other places when the storm season is in bloom!! at least thats what we have tryed to do during our 40+ yrs of cruising! and its worked pretty good most of the time !! LOL but most any good boat you buy will be tougher then you will be !! and I don't mean just you, but any of us!! Thats a fact, look at all the sailers who have left there boats in storms, and the boat made out all by itself !! Just my 2 cents
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Re: Best blue water sailboat around 40ft ish

having a boat that could make it out of a storm by itself sounds like what I'm looking for.
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having a boat that could make it out of a storm by itself sounds like what I'm looking for.
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Old 16-06-2012, 23:02   #21
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Re: Best blue water sailboat around 40ft ish

No offense but maybe your starting at the end of your sailing chapter. You seem to lack sailing knowledge and if that is so, why not take some sailing courses, join a sailing club and get your feet wet first. Then purchase (used) books on boat construction and get familiar with what a sailboat is truly about?
I was chatting with Jimmy Cornell in April and told me he has only been in (I think), 2 storms in his sailing career. Both, he said, could have been prevented.
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having a boat that could make it out of a storm by itself sounds like what I'm looking for.
Very, very many designs may make it out of a storm.

What is wrong with a CSY44 in this respect?

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we listed many boats with thick hulls and sea worthiness on their side---but the only thing that will bring a boat home from a storm experience is the loose nut behind the wheel, otherwise known as the sailor.
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Re: Best blue water sailboat around 40ft ish

Cam,

While there are well built boats, and poorly built boats, the type of question you are asking is pretty meaningless...

The best boat I know of, or that has likely ever been designed for heavy offshore sailing is an open 60 though they are out of your price range. An open 6.5 would likely be the best blue water boat in the $60,000 range, but living on a 19 foot boat with two people is rediculous. First you need to define your sailing area, the Carribean or the med have very different requirements than the south pacific, or north Atlantic.

Frankly too many people start off wanting the best built boat they can, and that isn't a terrible place to start, but every boat is a compromise, and to get that heavy weather capability costs you a lot somewhere else. Either in speed, which means you will burn a lot more diesel, price (due to switching to carbon fiber, high tech parts, sails ect), or livability.

For instance if your longest regular crossing is going to be 500nm or less than speed is a major safety factor. Perhaps even more so than ultimate build quality since a fast boat can make a crossing within a weather window that a slower boat can't. On the other hand if your average crossing is 1500 miles then speed goes down, but radio communication goes up, so you can avoid the worst weather. If the nearest safe harbor is less than 100 miles (most of the Carribean) then shallow draft may be more important to safety, so you can put in at poorly charted anchorages easier.

No boat is perfect, and there are a lot of different definitions of safety, and a lot of ways to make a boat 'safer'. Your specific needs determin what will make a boat safe for you, and you need to have a lot more information than has so far been provided.
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Re: Best blue water sailboat around 40ft ish

I have agree with Stumble on all counts. This question always gets asked by inexperienced 'sailors' who believe that the boat itself is the biggest concern when it comes to safety at sea. They overlook that experience and knowledge are the key ingredients for safety at sea.

Yes the quality of the boat is important, as is the equipment onboard. There are certain brands I would definitely stay away from, such as Hunter and MacGregor, because they are so poorly built. A high quality yacht, such as a Cape George Cutter, a Halberg-Rassy or a Morris Yacht, will set you back quite a few large bills. But you get what you pay for!

But as others here have said, before you sink your life's savings in some wanderlust fantasy, spend some time around a yacht club, talk to some sailors there and do a sailing course. Also, you can bone up on all sorts of nautical knowledge by reading books, which is good too. Check out your local library or a university library. But hands on experience is what you need first.
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not planning the bearing sea. i was just saying that i want a boat that takes a beating. thanks for ur help so far. way more researching to do.
Just about every well made boat out there will take more of a beating than you or your crew could handle.
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My Allied 39 Ketch is for sale in these classifieds. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...pit-83227.html
Allieds are proven world cruisers and the Ketch rig is great for single handed sailing.
Tony,

Those look like great boats...Allieds have a good rep...I am curious what made you decide to go down to a 36-footer....Other than maybe... newer 36-footers,even some 34-footers probably have the same icabin room as the older 39's....though not as much interior storage. I know,for example, that my Columbia 40 (39.2 ft loa) has the room of some newer 34 ft/36's (10.8 beam)but I love her sea-kindliness. Her layout is very similar to your 39-footer...Good luck selling her and Best Regards, Morgan
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Re: Best blue water sailboat around 40ft ish

Buy yourself a PBY or a Grumman Goose - then you wont have to worry about storms or rough seas - you can fly away from them and land in some tropical island lagoon and go fly fishing like Jimmy Buffet does!
But you better have deep pockets!
You sound like a neophyte to me - go get some experience before you buy yourself a nightmare that you'll be stuck with for ever.
whoever told you a CSY is a bad boat doesnt know what he's talking about.
They are tough, strong, heavy, overbuilt (according to some) They were designed for the charter trade and have been very successful
Back in the 70's I helped deliver a few of them to Tortola. There are better sailboats out there for sure but I dont know of any as tough except perhaps the old Islander 44's built in the 60's.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if the price was right and I wanted a fiberglass boat - but I dont -I'm a wood boat guy and always will be.
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