Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 13-01-2019, 00:38   #1
Registered User
 
richard45cdo's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Scotland
Posts: 15
Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Good day,
a am a newbie to sailing, looking to move onto a boat with my fiancee and new born baby and start sailing the Med 2019 then over to Caribbean and Alaska.


i can only afford the beneteaus and Bavarias from 1995 - 2003, we want over 40 ft.


Any advice on what to look out for and what you would recommend. can the structure of this old boats be trusted for cruising etc... any tips and advice appreciated.



my budget is £85,000. thank you
richard45cdo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 00:52   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Crete , Greece
Boat: Beneteau first 26
Posts: 670
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

I wouldn't take a beneteau or Bavaria on any north climate .

If you budget is around 100k it's better to check for a.smaller halberd rassy or Sweden yachts .
gmakhs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 00:56   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Nice, France
Boat: Hunter Marine 38
Posts: 1,342
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

I would avoid old Bavaria’s from before their first bankruptcy, they were not build to the same quality standards then the later bavarias. As far as I know the Bene’s build over the same period had more consistant quelity.
sailormed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 01:13   #4
Registered User
 
richard45cdo's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Scotland
Posts: 15
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Hi Gmaks, thank you for your message. What do you see the issues being in the north climate?



i did haev somebody tell me that the beneteaus can go anywere. especially if over 40 FT. thoughts?
richard45cdo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 04:38   #5
Registered User
 
Tricolor's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Brazil, Spain, The Netherlands
Boat: Boatless at the moment
Posts: 381
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Early 2000 we have owned a 49' Bavaria and crossed the Atlantic twice with her. A blue water boat, off course not but she was what we wanted that time. Any regrets, no.
__________________
Ranulph Fiennes — 'There is no bad weather, only inappropriate clothing.'
Tricolor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 07:08   #6
Registered User
 
Prairie Chicken's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Canada or Spain
Boat: Jeanneau SO 43 DS
Posts: 1,162
Images: 1
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

I would say that in the vast majority of cases, the boat will exceed the ability of the crew. People sail the world in mass production boats.

Having said that, we owned a 1986 Beneteau and it was rock strong & took good care of us for 21 years. I do not have such faith in Bavaria, with the exception of a very few models. They were the first company to build cheap with the intent of reaching a market otherwise unaffordable by most. They succeeded in that, and forced other manufacturers to reduce their quality.
__________________
Prairie Chicken
><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>¸.
`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`· ...¸><((((º>
Prairie Chicken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 07:27   #7
Senior Cruiser
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,583
Images: 2
pirate Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Forget Bavaria's.. as for Beneteau's I would look only at the French build pre 95's.. Dufours from that era as well.
__________________

It was a dark and stormy night and the captain of the ship said.. "Hey Jim, spin us a yarn." and the yarn began like this.. "It was a dark and stormy night.."
boatman61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 08:04   #8
Moderator
 
Pete7's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,423
Images: 22
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Is there a reason why you just want to limit yourself to just Bav and Bene?

How about this:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

Or:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Or if its a little small then:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Your problem is probably too much choice rather than too little.
Pete7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 08:38   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: palma de mallorca , spain
Boat: spirit 41 , 12.20
Posts: 41
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Hi i am selling my 41 belgium built spirit at the moment in Valencia spain ready to go anywhere 75000 euros kapitan_quike@hotmail.es
quike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 08:51   #10
Registered User

Join Date: May 2014
Location: So Cal
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49
Posts: 541
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Forget Bavaria's.. as for Beneteau's I would look only at the French build pre 95's.. Dufours from that era as well.



Ahhh Boatman. Now your just being mean. And you hurt my feelings
Valmika is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 08:54   #11
Registered User
 
Idylles15.5's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Northport NY
Boat: Idylles 15.5
Posts: 345
Send a message via Yahoo to Idylles15.5
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Bavaria should be off the list. It is basically the Chevy line of GM, not the Cadillac. I work on these boats for a living. I myself own a 1985 Beneteau 15.5 Idylle. Very well constructed and built when the family still owned the business in France. If I had the money I would buy every 15.5 Idylle I could get my hands on, restore all of them and sell them. Not many out there. My point is I would go pre 90s if I were you. If you can find a clean boat more bang for your buck and I'm sure you could find one who's owner took care of her. Find a Mason if you can. Built like a brick **** house and not overly pricey. As for Bavaria, the fiberglass is so thin in some structural areas, I couldn't believe it. The trade off is for the joinery inside, not so bad. The Bavaria's and Dehler use an oscillating nylon ball in their rudder shaft assembly as I'm sure some other do. The rudders always jamb up after awhile because the aluminum rudder shaft tube pits and chaffs the nylon ball to the point where it loses its free play. While changing one of these on a Bavaria I was inside the hull right by the shaft tube and I had to rub my eyes thinking i was seeing things. Maybe its my flood lamp reflecting off the inside of the hull. Nope, the sun had just come out outside, and yes it I could see the light thru the hull. This was right by the shaft tube where you would think due to stress on the leading edge of the rudder they would of built up the fiberglass. I couldn't believe how thin it was. Not just this area, but the whole stern to transom area. I informed the owner, and for my own piece of my I built up layers of alternating cloth around the shaft tube and surrounding area. If you ever hit something with the rudder in a Bavaria, the rudder wouldn't snap off, the whole stern of the boat with the shaft assembly would come with it. A year later this guy had a friend with a Bavaria, let him know I knew how to replace the rudder assembly, same thing. Junk. I don't care what anyone on here tells you after reading this. Yes they may own one and its all great, no problem blah blah blah. Everyone defends their boat, no one wants to think they bought a piece of ****. If your crossing anything other then a local bay, don't buy a Bavaria. You may be safe in Sir Francis Drake channel. Anyone who's made it around the globe on one without incident is lucky as hell. I don't know if the construction has improved on the new ones, but don't buy an old one.
Idylles15.5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 09:18   #12
Senior Cruiser
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,583
Images: 2
pirate Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmika View Post
Ahhh Boatman. Now your just being mean. And you hurt my feelings
Says the man hedging his bets..
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49
__________________

It was a dark and stormy night and the captain of the ship said.. "Hey Jim, spin us a yarn." and the yarn began like this.. "It was a dark and stormy night.."
boatman61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 09:22   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Poole, Dorset, UK
Boat: Westerly Storm 33
Posts: 148
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete7 View Post
Is there a reason why you just want to limit yourself to just Bav and Bene?

How about this:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

Or:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Or if its a little small then:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Your problem is probably too much choice rather than too little.

Or this. Really solidly built and an Ed Dubois Design

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

https://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/1657566/
__________________
"Outside of a dog a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read" (Marx G. 1890-1977)

Paul Kelly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 09:58   #14
Registered User

Join Date: May 2014
Location: So Cal
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49
Posts: 541
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Says the man hedging his bets..
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49



Ahh, I wish they were all mine. No the Beneteau is mine the rest I am just a humble paid Captain
Valmika is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2019, 11:14   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Hawaii
Boat: Jeanneau SO DS 49
Posts: 356
Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

In the 95 Euro range you should have your pick of 8 year old charter boats in the Med up to 50'. I would be emailing every charter company for a list of boats for sale. They need to be gone in April when the new ones arrive so offer 35% less. A survey will find any problems.
We sailed our 49DS thru the Med only adding a dingy and solar. Everything was included and worked. Don't limit yourself by brands, most are well built, and have the same equipment.
SteveSadler is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bavaria, beneteau, boat

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Can Jeanneau , Bavaria or Beneteau Be Good as Ocean Crossing Boats ? ibrgic Monohull Sailboats 634 13-08-2022 17:22

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:10.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.