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Old 13-01-2019, 01:38   #1
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Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Good day,
a am a newbie to sailing, looking to move onto a boat with my fiancee and new born baby and start sailing the Med 2019 then over to Caribbean and Alaska.


i can only afford the beneteaus and Bavarias from 1995 - 2003, we want over 40 ft.


Any advice on what to look out for and what you would recommend. can the structure of this old boats be trusted for cruising etc... any tips and advice appreciated.



my budget is £85,000. thank you
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Old 13-01-2019, 01:52   #2
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I wouldn't take a beneteau or Bavaria on any north climate .

If you budget is around 100k it's better to check for a.smaller halberd rassy or Sweden yachts .
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I would avoid old Bavaria’s from before their first bankruptcy, they were not build to the same quality standards then the later bavarias. As far as I know the Bene’s build over the same period had more consistant quelity.
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Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Hi Gmaks, thank you for your message. What do you see the issues being in the north climate?



i did haev somebody tell me that the beneteaus can go anywere. especially if over 40 FT. thoughts?
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Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Early 2000 we have owned a 49' Bavaria and crossed the Atlantic twice with her. A blue water boat, off course not but she was what we wanted that time. Any regrets, no.
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Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

I would say that in the vast majority of cases, the boat will exceed the ability of the crew. People sail the world in mass production boats.

Having said that, we owned a 1986 Beneteau and it was rock strong & took good care of us for 21 years. I do not have such faith in Bavaria, with the exception of a very few models. They were the first company to build cheap with the intent of reaching a market otherwise unaffordable by most. They succeeded in that, and forced other manufacturers to reduce their quality.
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Forget Bavaria's.. as for Beneteau's I would look only at the French build pre 95's.. Dufours from that era as well.
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Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Is there a reason why you just want to limit yourself to just Bav and Bene?

How about this:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

Or:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Or if its a little small then:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Your problem is probably too much choice rather than too little.
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Hi i am selling my 41 belgium built spirit at the moment in Valencia spain ready to go anywhere 75000 euros kapitan_quike@hotmail.es
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Forget Bavaria's.. as for Beneteau's I would look only at the French build pre 95's.. Dufours from that era as well.



Ahhh Boatman. Now your just being mean. And you hurt my feelings
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Re: Beneteau or Bavaria Old boats

Bavaria should be off the list. It is basically the Chevy line of GM, not the Cadillac. I work on these boats for a living. I myself own a 1985 Beneteau 15.5 Idylle. Very well constructed and built when the family still owned the business in France. If I had the money I would buy every 15.5 Idylle I could get my hands on, restore all of them and sell them. Not many out there. My point is I would go pre 90s if I were you. If you can find a clean boat more bang for your buck and I'm sure you could find one who's owner took care of her. Find a Mason if you can. Built like a brick **** house and not overly pricey. As for Bavaria, the fiberglass is so thin in some structural areas, I couldn't believe it. The trade off is for the joinery inside, not so bad. The Bavaria's and Dehler use an oscillating nylon ball in their rudder shaft assembly as I'm sure some other do. The rudders always jamb up after awhile because the aluminum rudder shaft tube pits and chaffs the nylon ball to the point where it loses its free play. While changing one of these on a Bavaria I was inside the hull right by the shaft tube and I had to rub my eyes thinking i was seeing things. Maybe its my flood lamp reflecting off the inside of the hull. Nope, the sun had just come out outside, and yes it I could see the light thru the hull. This was right by the shaft tube where you would think due to stress on the leading edge of the rudder they would of built up the fiberglass. I couldn't believe how thin it was. Not just this area, but the whole stern to transom area. I informed the owner, and for my own piece of my I built up layers of alternating cloth around the shaft tube and surrounding area. If you ever hit something with the rudder in a Bavaria, the rudder wouldn't snap off, the whole stern of the boat with the shaft assembly would come with it. A year later this guy had a friend with a Bavaria, let him know I knew how to replace the rudder assembly, same thing. Junk. I don't care what anyone on here tells you after reading this. Yes they may own one and its all great, no problem blah blah blah. Everyone defends their boat, no one wants to think they bought a piece of ****. If your crossing anything other then a local bay, don't buy a Bavaria. You may be safe in Sir Francis Drake channel. Anyone who's made it around the globe on one without incident is lucky as hell. I don't know if the construction has improved on the new ones, but don't buy an old one.
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Is there a reason why you just want to limit yourself to just Bav and Bene?

How about this:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

Or:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Or if its a little small then:

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

Your problem is probably too much choice rather than too little.

Or this. Really solidly built and an Ed Dubois Design

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...dard%20listing

https://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/1657566/
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Ahh, I wish they were all mine. No the Beneteau is mine the rest I am just a humble paid Captain
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In the 95 Euro range you should have your pick of 8 year old charter boats in the Med up to 50'. I would be emailing every charter company for a list of boats for sale. They need to be gone in April when the new ones arrive so offer 35% less. A survey will find any problems.
We sailed our 49DS thru the Med only adding a dingy and solar. Everything was included and worked. Don't limit yourself by brands, most are well built, and have the same equipment.
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