Beneteau Oceanis 461 - Page 3

tallboy · 25-04-2008, 12:06

Well, I found a 1994 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 51 for sale for a bargain price. However the engine is not running, sails and battery needs to be replaced and the teak decks are worn. cushions need to be cleaned and or replaced. Same with the canvas.
But isn't this an advantage to have new or renewed equipment before going cruising?
I want the boat as a live aboard and for cruising firstly the Caribbean and later on more. So comfort and easy handling are priorities versus racing. Of course everybody loves speed but I guess this boat offer this, too.
The discussions are a little bit confusing about the sea worthiness. In fact these boats have crossed oceans. I think cruisers make capable for this and the boats will be also.
Any recommendations prior purchase in case of what I should look for, weaknesses of this design?

**Jeff H** · 25-04-2008, 12:18

Just be aware that you have described perhaps $100,000 or more worth of known problems, and with 'worn teak decks' on a 20 year old value oriented model, you can expect to find deck core problems as well. So a bargain on a project boat like this is something less than $150K US.

As to its seaworthiness, these were value oriented, IOR rule based designs. A talented, lucky, and extremely experienced skipper could probably take a boat like this across the pond, but the problem with boats like these is that they really do not do well if pounded in an offshore storm. Plus their IOR derrived hull form would have a miserable motion in a seaway. My sense of Jeanneaus of this era is that they were one step down from a Beneteau in terms of build quaility and equippage. In other words not the most robust construction.

Respectfully,
Jeff

tallboy · 25-04-2008, 15:14

Hi Jeff,
thanks for your reply which will help me a lot prior inspection and is very helpful or the decision process. It is a 1994 and the asking price is below $ 100k.
The idea is, to remove the teak deck and replace it with polyurethane and some layers of fiber before glassing over. You're right there may be some core problems because I've seen on the pictures that the headliner is down in some places.

Generally boats with wide beam and relatively flat bottoms as this one motion bad.
But is is so much living space and you cannot have everything - comfort, high performance and low costs at the same time. Cruising live is only 25% at sea, the rest is anchoring and enjoying.
Anyhow which designs would you recommend?
Thanks againg and fair winds,
Mike

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25-04-2008, 12:06	#31
tallboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16	Well, I found a 1994 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 51 for sale for a bargain price. However the engine is not running, sails and battery needs to be replaced and the teak decks are worn. cushions need to be cleaned and or replaced. Same with the canvas. But isn't this an advantage to have new or renewed equipment before going cruising? I want the boat as a live aboard and for cruising firstly the Caribbean and later on more. So comfort and easy handling are priorities versus racing. Of course everybody loves speed but I guess this boat offer this, too. The discussions are a little bit confusing about the sea worthiness. In fact these boats have crossed oceans. I think cruisers make capable for this and the boats will be also. Any recommendations prior purchase in case of what I should look for, weaknesses of this design?

25-04-2008, 12:18	#32
Jeff H Moderator Site Helper Join Date: May 2003 Location: Annapolis, Maryland Boat: Farr 11.6 (AKA Farr 38) Synergy Posts: 535 Images: 13	Just be aware that you have described perhaps $100,000 or more worth of known problems, and with 'worn teak decks' on a 20 year old value oriented model, you can expect to find deck core problems as well. So a bargain on a project boat like this is something less than $150K US. As to its seaworthiness, these were value oriented, IOR rule based designs. A talented, lucky, and extremely experienced skipper could probably take a boat like this across the pond, but the problem with boats like these is that they really do not do well if pounded in an offshore storm. Plus their IOR derrived hull form would have a miserable motion in a seaway. My sense of Jeanneaus of this era is that they were one step down from a Beneteau in terms of build quaility and equippage. In other words not the most robust construction. Respectfully, Jeff

25-04-2008, 15:14	#33
tallboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16	Hi Jeff, thanks for your reply which will help me a lot prior inspection and is very helpful or the decision process. It is a 1994 and the asking price is below $ 100k. The idea is, to remove the teak deck and replace it with polyurethane and some layers of fiber before glassing over. You're right there may be some core problems because I've seen on the pictures that the headliner is down in some places. Generally boats with wide beam and relatively flat bottoms as this one motion bad. But is is so much living space and you cannot have everything - comfort, high performance and low costs at the same time. Cruising live is only 25% at sea, the rest is anchoring and enjoying. Anyhow which designs would you recommend? Thanks againg and fair winds, Mike