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Old 21-03-2014, 05:09   #76
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Re: Beneteau 38

Light up the saloon. Don't want to crawl down into a deep dark cave if I can avoid it.
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Anyone know of an owner's group for Oceanis 38?
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Old 29-03-2014, 16:30   #78
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I will give Beneteau credit for this: their video commercial for the Oceanis 38 is maybe the best commercial I've seen for anything anywhere. It gets really good about halfway through.



But - what is up with that inflatable pool option?? (at the 2:37 mark)
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Old 29-03-2014, 16:40   #79
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Re: Beneteau 38

That inflatable pool is up there with the stupidest things I've ever seen!!! Not ragging on Beneteau; after watching that "commercial," I've gotta say, the boat does have beautiful lines, but come ON. That pool is ridiculous. Is it just so a fish doesn't touch him?

Or maybe all of the "blue water cruisers" will install the same thing but with stainless steel tubing so they can have their private pool in the middle of the ocean...oh boy.
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Re: Beneteau 38

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I did not talk about the keel or sail area (obviously a racer is much more powerful) I talked about the Hull and said that the Hull of the Oceanis 38 is clearly influenced by the one of solo Open racers. They are a family that go fro the Imoca boats (Open60's) passing to 40class boats to the class 950 and finishing on the mini racers. All have the same family of hulls: beamy and with all beam brought aft.

Regarding all the new production boats having the same type of hull, you are not looking well. If you look at the photos I believe you will see what I mean.

The first is the Bavaria 37, the second the Sun Odissey 379 the third is the Oceanis 38 and then a class40 and a Open 60.











Regarding beam, the Bavaria has 3.67m, the Jeanneau 379 3.76m and the Oceanis 38 3.99m

Again, first a Bavaria 37 then a Jeanneau 379 then two images of the Oceanis 38 and a Class 40.











Finally, one picture of the Oceanis 38 going hard pressed upwind in stormy conditions (the boat should have been reefed already) and another of a class 40 going upwind in less demanding conditions.



I really like the new designs, especially the Jeaneau 379 with the swing keel. Unfortunately, I'm not in the market for a new boat.
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Old 29-03-2014, 19:02   #81
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Regarding all the new production boats having the same type of hull, you are not looking well. If you look at the photos I believe you will see what I mean.
Then you have better eyes than I do, because from above they all seem to have the same shape to me.

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Regarding beam, the Bavaria has 3.67m, the Jeanneau 379 3.76m and the Oceanis 38 3.99m
That means little to the shape of the boat, because they have different lengths too. The LWL of those boats are:
Bavaria 37 - 9.82
jeanneau 379 - 10.4
Oceanis 38 - 10.72

As you can see, the Oceanis is the longest, so that's one reason why it has more beam. What's also important is how much the beam is carried aft, and the shape of the chines along the aft hull which give the Oceanis a canoe-like appearance from behind.
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That means little to the shape of the boat, because they have different lengths too. The LWL of those boats are:
Bavaria 37 - 9.82
jeanneau 379 - 10.4
Oceanis 38 - 10.72

As you can see, the Oceanis is the longest, so that's one reason why it has more beam. What's also important is how much the beam is carried aft, and the shape of the chines along the aft hull which give the Oceanis a canoe-like appearance from behind.
Come on be serious:

The Bavaria 37 has a LWL of 10.22m
Bavaria Yachtbau: Technische Daten

So you think that a boat that has more 30cms in length is proportionally more then 20cms beamier (SO 379)? or that a boat that has more 50cms in lenght has proportionally more then 30cms in beam (Bavaria)?

Considering those proportions the ratio between the Beam and LWL regarding the SO is 0.67, regarding the Bavaria is 0.64. With these proportions, considering the SO 379 ratio for a boat with a length of 11m you would have a beam of 7.37m. Nice proportions you have here for a monohull. Not even a multihull has that ratio.

And it makes not any sense to compare a length at waterline with a maximum beam. For LWL you would have to compare beam at WL, a measure that is not normally given. For Max beam you should have compared with Max Hull lenght and in that case the ratios would have been even bigger. For example for the Bavaria now with a hull length of 10.90m, the difference in hull length for the Oceanis 38 (HL 11.13m) would be of only 23cms while the difference in beam would be actually bigger, more than 30cm. With those proportions you will have a boat with considerable more beam than length.

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Then you have better eyes than I do, because from above they all seem to have the same shape to me.
Maybe I have better eyes
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Old 30-03-2014, 08:15   #83
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So you think that a boat that has more 30cms in length is proportionally more then 20cms beamier (SO 379)? or that a boat that has more 50cms in lenght has proportionally more then 30cms in beam (Bavaria)?

Considering those proportions the ratio between the Beam and LWL regarding the SO is 0.67, regarding the Bavaria is 0.64. With these proportions, considering the SO 379 ratio for a boat with a length of 11m you would have a beam of 7.37m. Nice proportions you have here for a monohull. Not even a multihull has that ratio.
OK, I admit, you have me thoroughly confused. All I'm saying is that while the Oceanis is beamier than the other two, it's also longer.

If you look at the numbers, using LOA:
Bavaria 37 LOA: 10.22 c 3.67 ratio: 2.78:1
Sun Odyssey 379 LOA: 11.34 Beam: 3.76 ratio: 3:1
Oceanis 38 LOA: 11.5 Beam: 3.99 ratio: 2.88:1

It's actually the Bavaria that has the widest shape!

The reason why the Oceanis 38 looks beamier in the photos is probably because of less freeboard, the shape of the hull (hull chines), and (maybe) it's max beam is carried further aft than the other two.

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And it makes not any sense to compare a length at waterline with a maximum beam. For LWL you would have to compare beam at WL, a measure that is not normally given.
You can do it either way. None of these measurements are perfect. I personally prefer to use lwl because that's matters to performance more than LOA. Beam at WL is not quite as useful because under sail that number would constantly change as the boat heels.
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It's actually the Bavaria that has the widest shape!

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There is something wrong with your eyes:


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Bavaria 37

I don't know why you insist in posting wrong numbers. In what regards Length/beam ratios the measures to be considered are of max beam and Max hull length. We are taking a ratio on the hull and it makes no sense to consider LOA where extensions like geenaker poles or anchor stands are considered. The correct numbers to determine L/B ratio are:

Bavaria 37 HL 10.90m, beam 3.67m - L/B ratio: 2.97
Sun Odyssey 379 HL: 10.98m Beam: 3.76 m - L/B ratio: 2.92
Oceanis 38 LOA: 11.13m Beam: 3.99m L/B ratio: 2.79

Regarding Lenght/ beam Ratio
"Larger L/B indicates a slimmer hull."

Length-beam ratio | M.B. Marsh Marine Design

Bavaria Yachtbau: Technische Daten
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I don't know why you insist in posting wrong numbers.
Those numbers are all correct from the manufacturer's web sites. I guess you mean posting the wrong type of measurement?

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In what regards Length/beam ratios the measures to be considered are of max beam and Max hull length. We are taking a ratio on the hull and it makes no sense to consider LOA where extensions like geenaker poles or anchor stands are considered.
Bear with me, because I am far from a professional boat designer or mathematician. You are right LOA is not the best way to measure it, but I believe straight HL is not perfect either (that's why I first did it with LWL, because I assume waterline measurement is more important for performance). Yes, modern boats don't seem to have very much overhang, but I assume there is some, and not all of that length touches the water. And none of these actually take into account how far the beam is carried aft (I'm not sure how you would measure that except by measuring the angles). However, yes, in the Oceanis 38 photo it certainly looks like the beam is carried aft quite a bit.
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Those numbers are all correct from the manufacturer's web sites. I guess you mean posting the wrong type of measurement?
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Yes that was what I mean, sorry about that.
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Thanks dudes for the technical comparisons, let's get back to the boat porn! ; D

I love the Oceanis commercial, especially the to be continued aspect. It's a device to let the prospective new buyer insert themselves into the story. Sigh...works for me.
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New boat porn...."All three versions come with a removable forward bulkhead between the forecabin and saloon, which when removed creates a unified space belowdecks that has to be seen to be believed." http://www.sailmagazine.com/best-boa...u-oceanis-38-0
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I will give Beneteau credit for this: their video commercial for the Oceanis 38 is maybe the best commercial I've seen for anything anywhere.
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I know this thread is about the Oceanis 38 and I like the boat, the interior a lot, the hull too even if in what regards general looks I would have prefered a bit less free-board but in what regards prices I had a surprise. I know a friend that is interested in the boat and had asked for the price of it with all the extras and everything and has done that for a Dehler 38 too (same equipment).
The Dehler is a performance cruiser that should be more expensive since the sail hardware is better and more expensive: No, both boats come from about the same price.

Regarding the two the Dehler is a better sailing boat and I would take it over the Oceanis 38 without hesitation even if I understand that some would not give up that incredible interior. The Dehler 38 has also a very nice interior. Of course this was in Europe and since the Oceanis 38 is made locally and the Dehler 38 has to be imported, the Oceanis will be certainly substantially less expensiveon the US.

Curiously the two boats won this year boat of the year contest, in two different categories, Family cruiser for the Oceanis, performance cruiser for the Dehler.

Have a look at the Dehler to understand what I mean:



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