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Old 05-07-2011, 14:08   #46
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Re: Double-End'rs Sexiest

There is something about double enders makes me think of Boy George. Not my thing.

If we are talking sexy & boats in the same sentence then for some reason a Lidguard 50 cat wins my vote Sailing Anarchy Home Page

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Old 05-07-2011, 14:20   #47
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Re: Double-End'rs Sexiest

Ihave a dreadnaught 32'...its pretty to me...I need help figuring out what thickness of wire to use to rerig it, and I cant figure out how to post a new topic...help!!
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Old 05-07-2011, 16:08   #48
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Re: Double-End'rs Sexiest

I'll stick to my preference for a little "junk in the trunk"!
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Old 05-07-2011, 16:17   #49
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I'll stick to my preference for a little "junk in the trunk"!
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There is something about double enders makes me think of Boy George. Not my thing.

If we are talking sexy & boats in the same sentence then for some reason a Lidguard 50 cat wins my vote Sailing Anarchy Home Page

That's more like it! Classic SA.
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My son, 3 at the time, saw one sailing past and screamed out.

"look at that bubble butt"

Still makes me laugh.
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I just correctly identified the numerals on all 8 Colour Vision Test Plates (+ demo). Does this validate my personal taste (aesthetic judgement)?
I got the demo, but not a single one of the test plates. Sigh. And when I see anything other than a sugar scoop transom, all I see these days is s-l-o-w.
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I got the demo, but not a single one of the test plates. Sigh. And when I see anything other than a sugar scoop transom, all I see these days is s-l-o-w.
That's fine, you can look at mine as I pass you by.
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Re: Double-End'rs Sexiest

Double-ended race boats. Who are we to deny the wisdom of the greats, such as the Halvorsen brothers,or L.F. Herreshoff, or K. Aage Nielsen. There have been some truly amazing double-enders in the past, including some of the great R boats. L.F. Herreshoff-

" I have designed about a dozen sailing yachts with long overhanging sharp sterns and among them have been yachts in the following classes: J, M, Q, R, 12 meter, 6 meter, and 30 square meter; and I think the double ender is all right if the stern is carried out long enough to keep the leeward side comparatively straight when heeled ... A double ender certainly must be narrow and long on deck to steer well when heeled."

I am sure that these designs must be discounted because they are not "modern" though, making them somehow irrelevant...
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Re: Double-End'rs Sexiest

Thanks much for the Herreshoff quote Minaret!
" I have designed about a dozen sailing yachts with long overhanging sharp sterns and among them have been yachts in the following classes: J, M, Q, R, 12 meter, 6 meter, and 30 square meter; and I think the double ender is all right if the stern is carried out long enough to keep the leeward side comparatively straight when heeled ... A double ender certainly must be narrow and long on deck to steer well when heeled."
Makes a lot of sense and I think jibes with Streets simpler expression.
From Donald Street, THE OCEAN GOING YACHT Vol 2:“…because of the more gently curved waterline aft when heeled, double enders usually have extreme weather helm when well heeled down going to windward.” This quote is nicely illustrated by Bruce Bingham.

All this considered along with previous posts, I have not noticed particularly bad weather helm on Molly B... not nearly as bad as the old LeCompte Medalist I had. More to this than just the ends and certainly other design factors can mitigate a tendancy for weather helm in pointy ended boats. Have to consider this also I suppose in the context of "artistic" one-off sort of boat building. Frank Loyd Wright vs Sears build-a-home kit or something like that...
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and they used to used to race Model-T's. I'm sure if old Henry was to be born again he would design his car exactly the same poo-pooing modern designs.

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and they used to used to race Model-T's. I'm sure if old Henry was to be born again he would design his car exactly the same poo-pooing modern designs.

You shouldn't mock the smart men of the past, it's not like we have nothing to learn from them. Did you know Henry Ford originally designed his engines to run on biodiesel? I'm pretty sure he would want to go back to that if he were around today, and he would laugh at us for being such dumbasses. He was right on that one...

Henry Ford touted as renewable energy's icon - US news - Environment - msnbc.com

http://greenlivingideas.com/2009/09/...ered-biofuels/
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Wonder where they got the idea for modern racing boats like the 49er? They have a striking resemblance to sandbaggers that were designed and raced over a hundred years ago. And how about all those "modern" shoal draft Beneteau and the like that are really just sharpies? Theres really nothing modern about these designs except the materials they are made from. If you ask me a Chesapeake Bay Log Canoe is a much more extreme racing design than anything "modern", as are some sandbaggers. Even though we now have boats like Hydroptere which are truly extreme, you don't really see anyone racing 150' sailboats anymore do you? There was a time when sailing was still big business and a great deal of money was to be made at it. As a result, people put a lot of time and money into it. It was a much bigger deal and conducted on a hugely larger scale than today. Those people knew things about boats and how they handle that we are just beginning to relearn today. Sure we have computers and better math and better materials, but they had a culture of sailing large boats that went back hundreds of years. I'm not saying that an ancient design is going to outrace a modern one, of course not. But I think we have a lot to learn from the oldie but goodies. And I think a lot of modern designers have done just that, and then called it new when it aint.
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Old 07-07-2011, 00:54   #59
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You shouldn't mock the smart men of the past, it's not like we have nothing to learn from them.
Not mocking them at all. 100 or whatever years ago their stuff was cutting edge modern design. Of course back then their designs were probably too modern for some people generating the same disagreements as we have here now.
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There is something about double enders makes me think of Boy George. Not my thing.

If we are talking sexy & boats in the same sentence then for some reason a Lidguard 50 cat wins my vote Sailing Anarchy Home Page

That's one sexy wheel she has her paws on.....what a feline.......i2f
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