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Old 16-01-2016, 05:04   #16
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Re: Anyone with Mariner36 (peter canning design) experience/knowledge of hull?

I can't say as I'm clear as to why you're willing to purposefully devalue your time, in order to effect these repairs. And devalue it down to what souncs like pennies per hour.
When, if you purchased a boat not in need of serious work, then you could spend the same time working at your job, where you get paid substantially more per hour. That, & enjoying sailing the boat, while configuring her to suit your desires... along with "the usual" maintenance which comes with a "new" boat.

Or, you can get several bids by yards to do the work, & have those figures (substantially) discounted from the price of the boat.... With some padding, for the ever present over runs & hidden surprises.

It only makes sense to get those figures/bids, regardless of what path you choose, should you decide to purchse the boat. So that then, you have a realisitc idea of what the boat's really worth. Plus what it'll take in order to bring her back up to a basic level of seaworthiness... Not including all of the things which you'd like to do to the boat in order to have her suit your tastes, & or inteded uses.
And all of those items are worth writing down as well. Along with their purchase prices, & installation costs (including the consumables & tools needed to install them).

Then if you choose to do the labor yourself, you'll have X extra dollars in your pocket. Thanks to the bid estimates having given you some hard data with which to bargain. And it'll also "give you" the fiscal option of having professionals do the work. So then what route you choose go is up to you, sans having your wallet having a meltdown.

And, BTW, when considering the full on DIY repair thing, honestly ask yourself some of these questions: How much do you like itching (from grinding fiberglass) for many months. That, plus "playing" with toxic resins, chemicals, solvents, & paints?

Along with eschewing the vast majority of your social life, due to working long hours on the boat; in an area removed from where people congregate & interact.
In addition to wearing; ear plugs, eye pro, rubber gloves, a respirator, & coveralls with a sock hood/shower cap, for most of the rebuild.
Ergo, making contact with other humans that much more difficult. Plus, such isn't quite a GQ type wardrobe. And it does impact who you meet, & how you're percieved... I'm just sayin'.

I say this, having rebuilt 2 boats in light industrial parks, in SoCal. Both of them at 6 months+ per. So I'm familiar with the lifestyle that such generates.

Oh, & don't discount the possibility of your tools "growing legs" too, @ some point during the rebuild. Especially given the proposed locale for same. That, along with the possibility of sensitizing yourself to epoxy, & possibly other things, for the rest of your days on this rock.

Plus, there's still the basic question: Why buy a boat with semi-known structural flaws? Especially as fixing them will cost Way more than projected. Even with you doing the labor.

PS: Did you read the article by Nigel Calder? And also, if you do wind up going ahead with this, might I suggest budgeting for having a helper for some of the project. Ah, & before you hire them, first have an attorney draw up whatever paperwork is necessary, so that your heine, & assets, are covered.
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Old 22-01-2016, 23:51   #17
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Re: Anyone with Mariner36 (peter canning design) experience/knowledge of hull?

hey er....how much is your offer?, what is the seller asking?
The reason I ask is this....
Given the extensive detailed expense/work/refit costs and time....you ***may,...be better off buying the florida boat at 23-24K which is what I would offer.. and spending 6kish? on shipping it to socal...just sayin...the florida boat, is...that good...
I am very discerning on which boat I would buy...and this particular one was considered...
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Old 23-01-2016, 07:11   #18
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Re: Anyone with Mariner36 (peter canning design) experience/knowledge of hull?

Totally agree with previous post. Why bother if you can get M36 in decent shape with no major flaws for under 30K, more like close to 20K. Even if you get Dulcinea for let's say 10K or less, say "free", the time and expense of making her right are just not worth it. I'm sure you can make more than 20K at whatever job you are at in the same time it wold take you to fix her up. As they say - often the most expensive boat is the one which is free. And don't I know that myself by now.
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Old 23-01-2016, 10:02   #19
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Re: Anyone with Mariner36 (peter canning design) experience/knowledge of hull?

I think "Uncivilized" has given excellent advice. If, however, you choose to pursue this boat, I would get a more knowledgeable surveyor than the one you have hired and get a realistic cost evaluation for repairs in writing by marine specialists who will do the repair. Then add another 20% to their estimate as a fudge factor. My opinion is to buy a boat where you do not have to deal with these issues--all of which have the potential to become a "Chinese nightmare." Anyone who has done boat repair understands that 1 hour of work calculated equals 3-4 hours real time. Proceed slowly and with caution. Rognvald
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Old 25-01-2016, 21:31   #20
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I can't say as I'm clear as to why you're willing to purposefully devalue your time, in order to effect these repairs. And devalue it down to what souncs like pennies per hour.
When, if you purchased a boat not in need of serious work, then you could spend the same time working at your job, where you get paid substantially more per hour. That, & enjoying sailing the boat, while configuring her to suit your desires... along with "the usual" maintenance which comes with a "new" boat.

Or, you can get several bids by yards to do the work, & have those figures (substantially) discounted from the price of the boat.... With some padding, for the ever present over runs & hidden surprises.

It only makes sense to get those figures/bids, regardless of what path you choose, should you decide to purchse the boat. So that then, you have a realisitc idea of what the boat's really worth. Plus what it'll take in order to bring her back up to a basic level of seaworthiness... Not including all of the things which you'd like to do to the boat in order to have her suit your tastes, & or inteded uses.
And all of those items are worth writing down as well. Along with their purchase prices, & installation costs (including the consumables & tools needed to install them).

Then if you choose to do the labor yourself, you'll have X extra dollars in your pocket. Thanks to the bid estimates having given you some hard data with which to bargain. And it'll also "give you" the fiscal option of having professionals do the work. So then what route you choose go is up to you, sans having your wallet having a meltdown.

And, BTW, when considering the full on DIY repair thing, honestly ask yourself some of these questions: How much do you like itching (from grinding fiberglass) for many months. That, plus "playing" with toxic resins, chemicals, solvents, & paints?

Along with eschewing the vast majority of your social life, due to working long hours on the boat; in an area removed from where people congregate & interact.
In addition to wearing; ear plugs, eye pro, rubber gloves, a respirator, & coveralls with a sock hood/shower cap, for most of the rebuild.
Ergo, making contact with other humans that much more difficult. Plus, such isn't quite a GQ type wardrobe. And it does impact who you meet, & how you're percieved... I'm just sayin'.

I say this, having rebuilt 2 boats in light industrial parks, in SoCal. Both of them at 6 months+ per. So I'm familiar with the lifestyle that such generates.

Oh, & don't discount the possibility of your tools "growing legs" too, @ some point during the rebuild. Especially given the proposed locale for same. That, along with the possibility of sensitizing yourself to epoxy, & possibly other things, for the rest of your days on this rock.

Plus, there's still the basic question: Why buy a boat with semi-known structural flaws? Especially as fixing them will cost Way more than projected. Even with you doing the labor.

PS: Did you read the article by Nigel Calder? And also, if you do wind up going ahead with this, might I suggest budgeting for having a helper for some of the project. Ah, & before you hire them, first have an attorney draw up whatever paperwork is necessary, so that your heine, & assets, are covered.
undeterred....i just bought it. its not a question of de-valued time...to me its a paid education. i want to sail around the world and be self sufficient. this boat has the structure and sailing characteristics to do just that.

at the price i could afford to pay, my price range...i dont think i could have found a better built boat. sure it need engine rebuild, bottom redone, keel and rudder inspected...that maybe sounds daunting to a lot of people but i didnt find it to be.

at $15k purchase price i think i did ok...
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Old 25-01-2016, 21:34   #21
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Re: Anyone with Mariner36 (peter canning design) experience/knowledge of hull?

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hey er....how much is your offer?, what is the seller asking?
The reason I ask is this....
Given the extensive detailed expense/work/refit costs and time....you ***may,...be better off buying the florida boat at 23-24K which is what I would offer.. and spending 6kish? on shipping it to socal...just sayin...the florida boat, is...that good...
I am very discerning on which boat I would buy...and this particular one was considered...
yeah iv'e looked at that boat a bunch of times on yachtworld. the price was out of my range. it is a very nice looking mariner though. if i had another $20k to spend i would have seriously considered that one instead. being in florida...the logistics of getting it to southern california would have made it too expensive.
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Re: Anyone with Mariner36 (peter canning design) experience/knowledge of hull?

Welcome to the insanity.
Say goodbye to your wife....

You should send me your first $500.00, just so you can get used to seeing it go away.

Boats suck.
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Old 28-01-2016, 21:15   #23
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Welcome to the insanity.
Say goodbye to your wife....

You should send me your first $500.00, just so you can get used to seeing it go away.

Boats suck.
yeah well I just gave that $500 to f'ing a-hole that stole my ups package from my front door with my chartplotter. if you can find him you can keep the chartplotter while i beat his ass...
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er, can you update re: your progress? Did you get the cracks fixed/figured out? Any add'l surprises (both + and -) discovered since the purchase?
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