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Old 09-02-2014, 18:45   #16
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Not worth the price of a Coober Pedy harlott.
don't know what that is but it sure sounds interesting ..... Tell us more
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Old 09-02-2014, 19:11   #17
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You would be better off with something like this, trailer included too.

Used 1980 COLE 23 Boat For Sale - boatpoint.com.au
I've no doubt you're right. Nice boat. But it's $10,000 as I mentioned, my purchase budget is about $3k including transport, so it's way beyond my means.

It's also in Victoria, about 1000 Km away. Granted, it's on a trailer, so it wouldn't be necessary to sail it back. If I get something from 'away' from SA, it has to be dirt cheap (ie under $2k) or the cost of getting it here will blow it.

But thanks for mentioning it, I'm diligently looking on boatpoint, ebay and now Gumtree. Sadly many of the ads on Gumtree seem to be for boats that are already gone.

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Geoff I figure it's time for you to decide if you want a boat to work on (for an extended time) or a boat to sail on and enjoy (with minimal work).
The latter is always dearer in the short term but inevitably cheaper in the long term.
Just my 2 cents worth!
Unfortunately being ripped off for a small fortune has pretty much ensured that the only choice I have it so buy something that's needing a fair bit of work and fix it up. The cost of something that's good to go is now beyond my means.

My budget to purchase and ship is $3k. Time and refit is open ended within some limits. See the problem?

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Old 09-02-2014, 19:17   #19
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Re: Anyone recognise design/origin of this?

You would be better off going boatless for one more year and saving the buck$ for something better.
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Geoff, I'm not being critical, but I want to be direct with you as I think it needs. If anyone on the forum thinks I am wrong they will certainly pipe up (quickly!)
Direct is fine mate. It's not exactly an ideal situation.

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It will cost a huge amount to ship it or truck it, even if you own the truck and drive it yourself.
Actually, about the same as I've offered for it. $500. The reasons for that are somewhat geographical to Oz. The boat's in Perth on our west coast. I'm half way across the country (almost exactly). Most road freight is from east to west, so trucks come back east lightly loaded or not at all, so backloads are fairly cheap. (There's a boat mover that specialises in this in fact).
Again, given the geography, I could borrow a trailer (car or boat) and go fetch it myself for around that if necessary. About $600 to do that (2500km).

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The boat is a wreck. Not worth the price of a Coober Pedy harlott.
Been there, but never been a customer, I'm told they're quite expensive, opal miners seem to have deep pockets. I told the seller something quite similar, ie 'it's more like scrap in the shape of a boat' or words to that effect. He hasn't replied so perhaps he took exception to that.

But it's steel and fixable and I have access to a trailer building factory (mate who's an old friend and a yachtie - owns the 22' Duncanson I mentioned earlier) with MIG TIG, plasma cutters and metal bending and cutting facilities. I do his IT support and I've no doubt he'd let me stick it in the back of the factory and let me work on it, so the cost of repair would be largely time and materials even if I have to replace plating.

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By the way, I doubt it was designed by a professional. It looks like a backyard build.
At least possible, the hull looks vaguely like an RNLI lifeboat I saw once, but scaled down somewhat. The raised centre cabin is clearly to give full headroom in a small boat that would normally not have it. My other thought was it was converted from a launch, but it seems to have no evidence of an inboard so perhaps not. What the hell is it is one of the questions I've asked the seller, and what the design was and where it was built, as well as when.

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That peter Cole designed boat someone linked to would be a far better choice. If it was built by East Coast yachts in Gosford it will be a cracker.
I'm sure you're right, but $10k and a 1000 clicks away. If I had even 6k to spend now, I'd probably have grabbed this one.

Used 1982 ENDEAVOUR 26 Boat For Sale - boatpoint.com.au

I have $3k at most to spend on buying the boat. Way out of my league now.

I can't buy a boat in good order or condition with what I have. So I'm compelled to look at the bottom of the market, and do up something that isn't in good order or condition. The tricky part is that I have to make sure it's fixable. Ideally I'd like another ferro, but even they are out of my price range now.

But I'll just keep looking. At the price I've offered and the cost to get it here, if it doesn't work out, I can part it out, scrap the hull and probably break even or close to it. Or perhaps do it up a bit and onsell it for a bit more than I paid and work my way up to something better.

But basically all I can do now is grab something that's rough but saveable and do it up over a year or so. The better option would be to buy something in good nick as you point out, but I can't so this is my only other choice.

But 500 is it. Anymore than that I'm not interested. Once bitten twice biteproof. He wants 1500 but he's dreaming.

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Old 09-02-2014, 19:47   #21
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You would be better off going boatless for one more year and saving the buck$ for something better.
Mmm, I have been. It's been 2 years now. It would take rather longer than that to get up around 10k again. Probably more like 4 or 5 years as things stand, either that or I wait until I'm 67, get my pension and the house is paid off, sell it and retire to a boat, but for various reasons, I'd prefer not to do that. I'm 57 now...

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The plan to haul it to the metal recycling center straight away is a great idea,
if it has some lead in it too, it could fetch $500 in scrap, so if you charge them $500 to haul it away, you'll be coming out ahead. Nicely done!

Now you can find some plans to build a boat from scratch, as you clearly have the energy to do so, and building a boat is very rewarding, a small one like a 28ft can be built fairly quick. Consider a catamaran in that size.
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Looks to me like someone saw a Caprice 19 and stretched it to 25ft hull wise and designed their own top..
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not being funny or cute here but if that was my boat, I would be happy if I got someone for $500. to take it away, far away!
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don't know what that is but it sure sounds interesting ..... Tell us more
Coober Pedy is an opal mining town in the far north of South Australia.

It's a barrren place, (Mad Max, Beyond Thunderdome was made in and around it) and stinking bloody hot, to the point most people live underground, in what are called dugouts. The name comes from an Aboriginal phrase that means something like 'White man's holes'. Started when miners discovered it was cooler to sleep in their mines, they expanded them into quite elaborate homes in some cases.

It a touristy place now, but previously in past years, it was something of a 'wild west' feel to it and there were, ah, harlots, that did a roaring trade with the opal miners who were rich from a strike of precious.

Coober Pedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I haven't been there for around 30 years now, so it's doubtless a lot different to what I remember.

We went noodling in the mullock heaps and found a bit of milky potch - not worth the bother really but it was kinda fun. We went in midwinter when it's more like 20c than 50c, don't go there in January or February, it'll kill you...

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Looks to me like someone saw a Caprice 19 and stretched it to 25ft hull wise and designed their own top..
Interesting, the resemblance is not just a passing one. Even the deckhouse is similar except for the raised centre section to get full headroom.

At least possible, thanks.

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The plan to haul it to the metal recycling center straight away is a great idea,
if it has some lead in it too, it could fetch $500 in scrap, so if you charge them $500 to haul it away, you'll be coming out ahead. Nicely done!

Now you can find some plans to build a boat from scratch, as you clearly have the energy to do so, and building a boat is very rewarding, a small one like a 28ft can be built fairly quick. Consider a catamaran in that size.
Less certain about that. I can fix anything that was ever made or ever worked, in time. Building from scratch is a whole 'nother ball game to use your American vernacular. For a start I'd need somewhere undercover to do so, it'd be one thing to fix something up stored in the open, building a hull from scratch in the open in our climate isn't something I'd really like to try.

As to the scrapping, well, it would be last resort, but it'd get me my money back at least. My biggest concern is that it looks a bit narrow and the keel a bit small for a steel 25' hull and I'm thinking it's either real tender or slow or both, though the hull shape suggests it might plane a little. It's an odd shape for a sailboat in some ways, doesn't look quite 'right' to me. It would almost be worth dropping it in the water just to see how it sails out of sheer curiousity.


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Further to my earlier post, have you thought about buying a trailer boat? You can get a Hartley TS 16 for around $3000 and have a heap of fun with much less ongoing expense. A TS 16 was one of the most fun boats I have ever owned.

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Absolutely right! TS16s are a total hoot.

Edit, oh darn, I now see it has been eliminated from the options list.
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OK, had a think about this a bit more, and I would like to make two suggestions to consider. Either an Austral 20, which I used to own. Stable, easy to sail, and big enough for an onboard loo (head), or an RL24. Bit more sprightly, less easy to sail, but again, big enough to sleep aboard and fit a portaloo.

Looking on Gumtree now I see an A20 at $5.5K negotiable, which may mean closer to $3.7 using the two thirds offer rule, and an RL24 at $4.5K, meaning close to $3K using the two thirds offer rule.

Both have the advantage that you can actually resell them if you need to, and both are easily towed behind a family car so storage costs are negligble.

Just a thought, if you'd like to do some actual sailing, rather than boat building. Both are tupperware boats, so welding is out.

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Oh, one more suggestion, Tophat 25.

Tophat 25ft fixed keel fibreglass yacht with outboard | Sail Boats | Gumtree Australia Kogarah Area - Kogarah Bay | 1037172153

Again, with the two thirds offer option, close to the budget. Transport might be a problem though.
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