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Old 06-11-2009, 15:37   #31
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Spec on the new 445

Length overall 13,80 m
Hull length 13,40 m
Length at waterline 12,70 m
Maximum beam 4,29 m
Draught with centerboard down 1,05/3,15 m
Light displacement 10.600 kg
Ballast weight 3 300 kg
Water tanks 550 l
Fuel tank 500 l
Sail area on the wind 96 m2
Mainsail 43.5 m2
Genoa 52.5 m2
Staysail 20 m2
Asymetrical spinaker 135 m2
Triradial spinaker 140 m2
Genacker 85m2

CE approval class A
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Old 06-11-2009, 15:38   #32
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And the spec on the 495

Length overall 14.95 m
Hull length 13.25 m
Maximum beam 4.49 m
Draught with centerboard down 2.81 m
Draught with centerboard up 0,95 m
Light displacement 13 500 kg
Ballast weight 4 800 kg
Water tanks 860 l
Fuel tank 600 l
Sail area on the wind 120 m2
Mainsail 50 m2
Genoa 70 m2
Staysail 32 m2
C.E. Approval Class A
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:06   #33
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Hay Jad, nice home page, but not one that i can read. sorry.
and a nice boat you have.

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if i understand what you are writhing, ? are you useing a MAC with chartprogms ? and if thats so, what is it ?

i wish i where sailing the med, and dident go to work,
take care and sail safe.
Hello Careka,
We have on board 2 portable computers (Apple Powerbook G4) for "personal use". Our site is indeed produced with the iWEB. For the internet we use normally a special antenna that catch the servers located within a 1.5 km range. Normally bars, hotels and some private individuals have them "open" , so we use them. Now in Italy we purchased an internet mobile pen, because by law you cannot have open WIFI (It is an anti-terrorist law). So when you go to a wifi point you have to give your ID to get a code.
We have also on board a dedicated PC (not portable), specifically designed for marine use. It is developed by AC Marine, it has no ventilation in order to prevent corrosion from "salty" air, etc. When I say it is dedicated it is because we only use it for navigation and... to see films from an external disk.
In terms of programs we use Raytech from Raymarine, using the 3D charts from Navionics. It is linked to our Raymarine E80 chart plotter that is located on the helm wheel.
We also use the PC to use the SailMail program, linked to our ICom SSB. So we can send/receive mail anywhere, even in the ocean, and most importantly to receive the weather grips. And this at nearly no costs (250$ per year for Sailmail) compared to a satellite link.
In fact I am a Apple fan, but to my knowledge very few charts programs did exists till recently...I read that you can have now Navionics charts on your IPhone!
All the best
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:59   #34
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MacENC is available for about $149. Forum Index - MacSailing.net - Powered by FusionBB

I like it, and the owner responds within minutes to most email questions.
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Old 08-11-2009, 16:01   #35
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if you go here Home for the current models and here History < Alubat for the old models as you can now download pdf files with the details of their previous models.
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I love the concept of these boats, but I will reraise the question: if the boat gets knocked down, will it come back up? If it turns turtle, will it come back up?

I have the same issues with a number of these beamy floating mcmansions with flat bilges and fat rear ends.
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[QUOTE=Curmudgeon;362258]I love the concept of these boats, but I will reraise the question: if the boat gets knocked down, will it come back up? If it turns turtle, will it come back up?

It is obvious, otherwise the maker of Ovni, Alubat would not have all his models approved in class A (ocean). The tests in France are very rigorous.
Having said this there is now a new and very exciting new sail boat: the Boreal 44. See Index and have a nice dream....

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I don't know enough about "Class A" certification to determine if your statement is true (that "obviously" the Alubat will recover from a knockdown or a rollover). If it is, I wonder why basic statistics like capsize screening ratios do not appear to be available for these boats.
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Well of the coast of Norway, we had an OVNI 365 that had a Knockdown, in very bad weather. it had 2 menn in the cocpit when it happend, they had to lay in the sea for some seconds, befor the boat came back up again, the mast was well under the sea they said.
the boats name is "Sandyhook" and they have an home page.Sandy Hook (but it is in Norwegian)
there was no damage to the boat afther the knockdown.
it happend at around 4am surfing down big waves, they recall seeing 17 knots , when the boat hit the bottom and the bow was plated into the nexst wave, this turned the boat around, and they did not manage to get it around(pointing with the waves) befor the nexst wave came tumbeling over them and knock them down.
they say that it felt like they where laying in the sea for abaout 3-5 seconds befor the boat turned back up.
here is some linkes to the rescu boat that came out to them aftehr to guide them in to safe habour in Egersund,Norway, they did not have maps of the coast.

Film fra «Sandy Hook» : Seilas.no

–Som å seile i fossefall : Seilas.no

OVNI is a very good boat, and safe, compaird to a plastik/glassfiber, Epoxsi one.

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Well, your story indicates that it will recover from a knockdown-- at least the 365 will. Once again, I would like to see capsize screening ratios. Also, I wonder if the ability of the boat to recover from a knockdown or rollover depends on the position of the retractable keel when the event occurs.
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well the keel was down, when they sailed. the const. Marc lombard, says that it would be better to have it up in under these conditions.
So when a big wave hit you, the boat will just bounce of like a ball will on toppp of the wave, or down the hill if you like.
i have seen diagrams of stab, but cant remember where. think it was in a swedish page, where a swedish boat builder where compairing, datas from the A class certifikat. i think they most had around 110-115 degrees.
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i must say i get a bit tired of hearing (reading) the same story over and over again about what if etc. these boats are rock solid as the crew can sail them! (counts for every boat).

there are many tests of these yachts around... Yachting Monthly UK for example. You can download them as pdf for some £
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I have not been able to find an impartial review of these boats with stability statistics anywhere using google. And I can read French.

But as others have noted, there are plenty of discussions about what happens if these boats turn turtle.
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i have personal sailed them and not always in sun shine weather...

the avatar is me on the wheel of an ovni 385
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