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Old 24-07-2013, 21:36   #1
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Major air and sea rescue plucks thirty volunteers from tall ship Astrid after it runs aground in rough weather | Mail Online

What a sad ending for a lovely ship. Thankfully nobody was hurt.


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Old 24-07-2013, 23:06   #2
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Another squarerigger is lost. So sad! There aren't many of them left.

Good to see that all got off safely.
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Old 25-07-2013, 00:06   #3
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Old 25-07-2013, 03:59   #4
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Hey, who changed my title? It is FOUNDERS, not f-L-ounders.
founĚder 1 (foundr)v. founĚdered, founĚderĚing, founĚders
v.intr.1. To sink below the surface of the water: The ship struck a reef and foundered.
2. To cave in; sink: The platform swayed and then foundered.
3. To fail utterly; collapse: a marriage that soon foundered.
4. To stumble, especially to stumble and go lame. Used of horses.
5. To become ill from overeating. Used of livestock.
6. To be afflicted with laminitis. Used of horses.


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Old 25-07-2013, 04:43   #5
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Why would the Captain take her out in force 5/6 winds?

I know that these aren't the worst but still not easy to sail in.

Could they not have waited for more calmer seas?
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Almost anything will sail in force 5 winds
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Beautiful looking vessel....sad to see the photos of her going down. Thankfully crew was rescued
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Sad, glad everyone was ok.

In picture 3 of the article it appears the anchor is still snuggly nestled on the bow.
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First the Bounty now Astrid sad time for tall ships these days. But, hats off to the rescue crews who got 30 people off safely in rather rough conditions.
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Engine failure and she swept unto the sovereign rocks at the entrance to kinsale Ireland.

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Engine failure, she then swept onto the sovereign at the entrance to kinsale Ireland

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Garbone - those headlands are very steep to. Dropping the hook would have done nothing - you would have had to lay out over 100' of chain before even hitting the bottom, and then it would have been laying on rock. You can tie up to those cliffs on a calm day (which is just about never) and still have over 80' under the keel in many places.

The word I got from a friend on scene is that they were transiting a channel, close in, and engine failed due to water or some other contaminant in the fuel. in a force 5/6 on a lee shore, you need a lot of room to tack a boat like Astrid off. She'd do it with enough room, but we've all transited tight entrances and passages between steep to rocks - and sometimes there simply is nothing you can do if you lose power in the wrong place. It sucks big time - she was a lovely, capable and well run vessel.

About your only hope in a situation like that is to have help nearby to give you a tow. even a small rib or two might have delayed the impact long enough for bigger power to arrive, but you're really at the mercy of the scene at that point.

It is a brutal reminder about the importance of each piece of equipment, and implications of single-point failures on boats. I know that this sort of thing gives me nightmares when I'm powering in our out of tight channels where a bail out under sail is really a touch-and-go backup. Having a dinghy ready to go with a decent outboard is sometimes a reasonable self-rescue option, but it really has to be well thought out and rehearsed to be realistic.

kudos to the onboard crew and the lifeboat crews for getting all off with no injury. That's a big win once you're in the situation.
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Engine failure seems to foretell the end of these ships.... could it be they're really motor boats? or is it the captain and crew dont have the experience to sail that type of vessel?
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Engine failure seems to foretell the end of these ships.... could it be they're really motor boats? or is it the captain and crew dont have the experience to sail that type of vessel?
It would not be possible to sail that entrance

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