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Old 31-01-2012, 20:57   #16
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Have you been naughty?
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If you've got to ask you sure don't know her!
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Old 31-01-2012, 23:47   #19
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who me? never.
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Does anyone have suggestions for dream graveyard areas?

Typically the places where people run out of puff, money, partners, vision, and leave the boat with a view to bringing it back later. Then it gets all too hard and the for sale sign goes up, along with all the others.

In Aus that would be northern Queensland. In USA/Caribbean/Mexico? Where in the Med/Europe?
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Please note the following if contemplating a yacht purchase in the UK. You will pay the VAT unless you meet the terms of the 'sailaway' boat.
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1.3 What is the definition of a 'sailaway' boat?

A ‘sailaway’ boat is defined as one which is to be:
  • delivered to the buyer or their authorised skipper within the EU, and
  • exported under its own power to a destination outside the VAT territory of the EU.
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1.4 Who can use the scheme?

The scheme can only be used for the private purchase of a boat for private purposes by:
  • An overseas visitor who intends to export the boat under its own power to a destination outside the EU within six months of the date of delivery. This is normally the date the boat leaves the manufacturer or supplier.
This scheme must not be used to purchase boats used for commercial purchases.
Before 1 January 2012 UK residents who intended to export the boat to a destination outside the EU could also use the scheme, but they are no longer eligible. However, UK residents may be able to purchase a boat VAT-free provided that the seller arranges the direct export of the boat to a destination outside the EU. See paragraph 1.6 and Notice 703 Exports and removals of goods from the United Kingdom for conditions."

HM Revenue & Customs web site: www.hmrc.gov.uk

See section 9.1.c - of "VAT - Export of Goods from the United Kingdom" here:

"(c) Sailaway Boat Scheme
The Sailaway Boat Scheme allows boats exported to final destinations outside the EC to be zero-rated for VAT purposes. You can find more details in Notice 703/2 Sailaway boats supplied for export outside the EC."
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Does anyone have suggestions for dream graveyard areas?

Typically the places where people run out of puff, money, partners, vision, and leave the boat with a view to bringing it back later. Then it gets all too hard and the for sale sign goes up, along with all the others.

In Aus that would be northern Queensland. In USA/Caribbean/Mexico? Where in the Med/Europe?
That happens to some extent in Baja, especially up around San Carlos. People don't want to do the Baja Bash back north, and there are an awful lot of boats for sale because of that.
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subj: best used boat deals in the states and Canada

A yacht broker in Vancouver, BC told me a week ago that the best buys in boats now are on the Great Lakes for these reasons:

1. they are fresh water boats
2. they are stored out of the water 6 months of the year; i.e. lightly used almost by definition
3. the market is weak - demand for ocean cruisers is in a widely dispersed area, and very subject to seasonal demand; best time to buy is early fall.

This is just my opinion (but formed over 6 months). Comparing on-line, non-brokerage sites like the sailing mags fsbo pages and craigslist indicates better bargains in California than in Washington or British Columbia.
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Assuming you buy in the USA (cheaper and a bigger selection, have a look in Florida)

Yes traveling into the USA on the visa waiver program does only allow you 90 days but you may be able to fly out (Canada or Mexico) am fly back in for another 90 days. With the VWP entry you can legally sail out of the USA but you cannot sail back in. To sail into the USA you need a B1/B2 visa. This visa also allows you to get a cruising permit in the USA for 12 months after you have purchased the yacht and had the yacht re-flagged as Australian. (you must do this as only a USA citizen can have a US registered yacht)

If you do not have a cruising permit moving the yacht is a real hassle as you MUST report to Homeland Security every time even if you move slips in the same marina.

My suggestion would be to get the B1/B2 before you leave Australia.

I am a kiwi and will be buying in the US so have investigated this at length.

Have a wonderful trip and good hunting.
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Oh, now I get it! Just took at look at your blog.
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Shame you don't want timber... Boats for sale UK, Used boat sales, Sailing Yachts For Sale Classic yacht Iolaire - Apollo Duck

and this to small...
Boats for sale Netherlands, Used boat sales, Sailing Yachts For Sale CUTTY HUNK 41 CUTTER - Apollo Duck

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=49834&url=

1978 Vagabond 47 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Sorry mate... only Vagabond I could find... some nice steel about though..
think I'm wasting yer time...
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I had a boat in Malaysia for 5 years and spent much time between Langkawi and Singapore. There were so many boats for sail that we're turnkey cruise ready that we couldn't believe it.

Best place we saw was at Kuah yacht club in Langkawi, Pangor Island and Singapore. The theory was that retired couples bought their boats spent a couple of years doing the milk run and then once they got to Malaysia they were either afraid/unable to do the Indian and the capes or there were age related issues like sudden illness. We saw many boats that were "distress" sales due to one partner falling I'll. The boats tended to be in the 40 to 50 foot range. It has been about 5 years since I was there.

South Africa and more specifically cape town is also another good place to both buy a boat and or do a massive refit on one.

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billy, the advice on Great lakes boats in nothing new and has nothing to do with today's market. They've always been at an advantage in that most boats are raw-water cooled and after 20-30 years that chews the hell out of an engine in salt water. The six months out of the water, not so unique, most boats in the Northeast are hauled the same way.

The problem is, those boats are in the Great Lakes. You've got to either truck 'em or sail 'em to get them out to any ocean, so unless you plan to move into the GL, you've got an extra $5-10k to add to the boat price. Or perhaps a month onboard--only at the right time of year--to motorsail out to the Atlantic.
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hahaha...have kept it quiet for so long.
personally,"VIRTUAL DECK SCRUBBER"might have been a better choice,deck scrubber implies "the one who gets all the dirty jobs onboard!!!"

happy hunting,ps eastern med is pretty good for bargins.
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