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Old 03-03-2013, 16:33   #16
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Re: Anchoring in a Gale

And beef up your anchor line attachment points.
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Re: Anchoring in a Gale

When I had some smaller cruising sailboats I tried anchoring from the stern several times, and it just didn't work well once the wind picked up. For some reason the pull on the anchor was much greater, plus the stern is not the best way to receive wave action unless maybe you have a double ender, the rain is blowing down the hatch every time it's open, and most boats have all their anchoring gear on the bow, so it takes quite a bit of rearranging to make it work. But, have at it in light to moderate winds and see what you think. I didn't like it.
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Just use a riding sail at the backstay... or buy a ketch
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Re: Anchoring in a Gale

Hmmm. Let's see....you've got an Oyster 66 and you're worried about anchoring in 52-knot winds?

Get a bigger anchor!

Forget about a second anchor. Forget about a stern anchor. Forget about beckets and all that jazz.

Just put down a very good anchor, lots of rode, and ride it out. Set an anchor watch.

It's a good idea during the worst of it to have the engine ticking over, in case the anchor drags.

My boat sails at anchor, too. And we've gone thru nights at anchor with 50-knot plus winds all night. All-chain rode. Anchor well set. Boat doesn't sail as much in those strong winds...acts more like a wind vane.



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Hmmm. Let's see....you've got an Oyster 66 and you're worried about anchoring in 52-knot winds?.............
Fetch? Any concern about windspeed is meaningless without fetch information. 52 knot winds can be a horror or a pansy!

So, Poiu, what's the fetch?
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Re: Anchoring in a Gale

We just had the Oyster round the world rally come by. Most had a small Delta as anchor which is way undersized for the boat. I agree with others that it needs a much bigger anchor (110lb +) and a better type of anchor too. I believe the Rocna or Manson Supreme fit the bowroller well.
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Just use a riding sail at the backstay... or buy a ketch
Not good enough: you want something that will pull the stern aft (like a properly designed anchor sail. A plain mizzen will actually push the whole boat forward - exactly what you do not want in a bad squall.

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Not good enough: you want something that will pull the stern aft (like a properly designed anchor sail. A plain mizzen will actually push the whole boat forward - exactly what you do not want in a bad squall.

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No, a ketch will lay beautiful at anchor without hoisting anything... the bare rig itself takes care of it.

But I can just hoist the mizzen and sheet it in tight without any trouble. It will not send me forward at all.
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We just had the Oyster round the world rally come by. Most had a small Delta as anchor which is way undersized for the boat.(...)
What did they do in the anchorage? I always thought Oysters were designed for berthing alongside the most posh bar in the marinas ...

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What did they do in the anchorage? I always thought Oysters were designed for berthing alongside the most posh bar in the marinas ...

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No, a ketch will lay beautiful at anchor without hoisting anything... the bare rig itself takes care of it.

But I can just hoist the mizzen and sheet it in tight without any trouble. It will not send me forward at all.
OK, I see. Adding a windgen on the mizzen and a radar dome could actually further improve things. (?)

Fully battened, may I ask?

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OK, I see. Adding a windgen on the mizzen and a radar dome could actually further improve things. (?)

Fully battened, may I ask?

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I don't think a ketch needs anything extra. The mast and rigging is more than enough.

I sometimes see short and older ketches hoist a tripple reefed mizzen at anchor when it starts blowing so I assume they behave better at anchor that way. But those have no full battens. We do but don't need to hoist it. I once had the mizzen up when a squall hit us an anchor. Even with the big windshifts it was not a problem, we just turned into the wind quicker than the other boats.
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Re: Anchoring in a Gale

I just unfurl a bit of my roller furling mizzen.
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I have used an anchor riding sails aft WITHOUT success. Stern anchors work. The idea above about a second bridle led aft might work. One experienced skipper recommended the drogue off the bow. Anchoring by the stern works well if the waves are small and there is no rain.
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Re: Anchoring in a Gale

Thanks for your thoughtful replies. Some good ideas to work on. and useful links.

The anchor is a Delta 110lb (one size up from recommended). Once set well, has not dragged on me, just as it didn't when I swung badly. The fetch was short on that occasion and clearly waves/swell would make quiet anchoring much more important.
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