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21-02-2019, 11:47
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by kmacdonald
What is the undisputed BEST new generation anchor?
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https://www.youtube.com/user/flygoodwin/videos
Maybe the best, and above all realy independent, videos about ancors test!
There is not only one best, but two or three,
so the best will be the one that fits best your bow!
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21-02-2019, 12:20
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#62
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
In all the anchor tests, I've never heard of anyone mention testing different size anchors. Just because a 10kg anchor from one manufacturer tests better than another manufacturers 10kg anchor doesn't mean their 20kg anchor will test better. I bet they all have their own methods of scaling their anchor sizes and the scaling might not be the same for all manufacturers. This might account for the discrepancies in some test results and personal opinions.
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21-02-2019, 12:36
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#63
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Black Eagle
The anchor is the last thing to save money on
Take a 55lb Spade!
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I don't think he's saving money -- he doesn't have a windlass
But anyway, yet another Spade man here. It's the only one of the new gen anchors, that I've heard of, that people come back to after trying other ones. The key, probably, is the sharp fluke and lead ballast, which is expensive to make, which is why it's not a common design. I've used them for 20 years and on two different boats, and keep coming back to them after being disappointed in others.
If you're not going to get a windlass, then you might consider the aluminum Spade, which is easier to handle, but for a best bower anchor, the steel is preferable, if you can handle it.
I've never tried a Mantus, but what I hear sounds like that is also a cut above other new gen anchors. Maybe cheaper than Spade.
For a kedge, consider a Fortress -- easy to handle without a windlass.
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21-02-2019, 13:08
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#64
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Simi 60
One persons opinion and they want me to pay for it?
So much opinion available here for free
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Not everything can be free. I found his articles to be very informative. For $2 a month its hard to go wrong.
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21-02-2019, 13:19
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#65
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
I don't think he's saving money -- he doesn't have a windlass
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Well a windlass is big money and you got to cut somewhere I guess.
Regardless everything I am reading is pointing me at a Spade. The roll bar anchors seem like they will not want to do a reset and that's because they can not clear the refuse from when it got pulled out. That is good enough for me.
Ya a Spade is big bucks but if you have been blown off your hook by wind and waves and someone popped out of thin air and said
" for $500 I could fix it immediately for you"....
bet you would take the deal.
Having dragged in a crowded anchorage I can tell you it is no fun.
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21-02-2019, 13:31
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Dark Horse
Not everything can be free. I found his articles to be very informative. For $2 a month its hard to go wrong.
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But its still just an opinion or is it an actual test with actual data to support the conclusion?
Do they try different bottoms, different scope, different weight, different boats?
Doesn't matter for me anyway, a bit late for someone's opinion,
We have gale force wind and a cat 2 cyclone approaching so have our 150lb Manson supreme is in and busily digging its way to to the other side of the world with 65 tonne hanging off it
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21-02-2019, 13:34
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#67
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Dark Horse
Regardless everything I am reading is pointing me at a Spade. The roll bar anchors seem like they will not want to do a reset and that's because they can not clear the refuse from when it got pulled out. That is good enough for me.
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700+ nights at anchor, never had a reset or any set problem with our rollbar anchor.
Breaking it out sometimes is more of an issue.
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21-02-2019, 13:55
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
I don't think he's saving money -- he doesn't have a windlass
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So why did he talk about price and considering a Delta 55lb?
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Originally Posted by Paul M
Hi all:
It appears I can get a 44 spade for the same price as 55lb delta.
Paul
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No prob, if I misunderstood him, my fault.
But an anchor must be choosen to fit the boat, and not to fit the strength of those who pull!
Absolutely IMHO:
the best choices are Spade and Sarca Excel, (at the right fit for the boat! One size more than factory tabs shown)
I also found myself very well with Mantus, but with some boats it has problems to fit the bow due to the length of its shank
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21-02-2019, 14:22
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Simi 60
700+ nights at anchor, never had a reset or any set problem with our rollbar anchor.
Breaking it out sometimes is more of an issue.
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Everyone's mileage varies. Lots of guys and gals still hanging off CQR's swearing they are the best no matter what anyone's opinion is.
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21-02-2019, 22:23
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
I can confirm the Rocna is a great anchor. Was caught in a bad storm at anchor and was on my smaller Rocna kedge (undersized) anchor as my testy bow windlass computer had died and was not using my main Rocna bow anchor. Lots of damaged boats, some on the rocks, even in the port boats had their sterns smashed against the docks. My kedge anchor snubber broke and I was hitting the storm at an odd angle stern/starboard to the waves but she held and I did not move. This is after doing 360's all day because of the wind /wave conditions here. The Rocna's reset quickly and deeply. I often anchor in places with 20-40kts of winds constantly changing directions all day so they are resetting constantly and when I bring up my anchor I bring up an anchor full of mud.
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21-02-2019, 22:42
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Black Eagle
So why did he talk about price and considering a Delta 55lb?
No prob, if I misunderstood him, my fault.
But an anchor must be choosen to fit the boat, and not to fit the strength of those who pull!
Absolutely IMHO:
the best choices are Spade and Sarca Excel, (at the right fit for the boat! One size more than factory tabs shown)
I also found myself very well with Mantus, but with some boats it has problems to fit the bow due to the length of its shank
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Absolutely agree with your choices.
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21-02-2019, 23:31
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
Either Rocna or Mantus. They set faster, hold better in most conditions, and are more environmentally sensitive? Why you ask? Two reasons actually; less seabed damage, and new fiberglass hulls are hardly carbon neutral. !
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22-02-2019, 01:44
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by mat jam
. . . my testy bow windlass computer had died . . . .
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Bow windlass computer?
I don't believe I've ever seen one of those. Is that like a samophlange?
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"You sea! I resign myself to you also . . . . I guess what you mean,
I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
I believe you refuse to go back without feeling of me;
We must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . hurry me out of sight of the land,
Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
Walt Whitman
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22-02-2019, 01:59
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#74
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Dark Horse
Everyone's mileage varies. Lots of guys and gals still hanging off CQR's swearing they are the best no matter what anyone's opinion is.
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And lots of them are back in a marina when 10+ knots is predicted so is it any wonder they never drag.
Look at any marina on any day, even on perfect weekends for evidence.
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22-02-2019, 02:01
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Re: Anchor- 44lb spade/rocna vs 55lb Lewmar delta
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Originally Posted by Sailor Vee
Either Rocna or Mantus. They set faster, hold better in most conditions, and are more environmentally sensitive? Why you ask? Two reasons actually; less seabed damage, and new fiberglass hulls are hardly carbon neutral. ��!
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Evidence of any of these assertions?
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