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Old 25-09-2016, 03:48   #1
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Hi,

Im hoping someone can help me out, I'm planning tohead off in 2017 on a sailing holiday with my fiance for at least a year or two and am wrestling with the big question... Which boat do I buy?

I'm currently leaning toward the Amel Maramu / Santorin (yep I've seen Delos and browsed SVCerulean.com) and they are clearly the superior cruisesrs comprimise but I'd really like to see one in the flesh. Wondering if anyone has one in or near Brisbane, QLD and is willing to let me come and invade your space and pick your brain for an hour or so, I would be quite appreciative (like whiskey levels appreciative).

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Old 25-09-2016, 04:31   #2
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Spead your net wide and look at other boats. The Maramu has a cult-like devoted following I don't really understand. Look at sloops instead of ketches to simplify things and boats with a much larger cockpit area without the steering wheel in the way, you'll be glad you did. Open space on a boat is much appreciated when living aboard full time, the Maramu has none. You'll also be dealing with tender management on a daily basis, look at boats with a substantial davit system that facilitates easy raising and lowering of the dinghy. Another thing, if you spend time in warm climates, you're going to want a dodger/sprayhood that can be lowered or opened in order to facilitate airflow through the cockpit, not a fixed glass dodger.

One more important thing to consider, many of the systems on an Amel are proprietary as I understand. Look for a boat that has systems that can be replaced by items off the shelf in areas you plan to visit. On our boat for example, I can order parts at any local chandlery when things break down... and they do. Such as pumps, water heater, macerators, refrigeration etc. nothing messes up your vacation more than having to wait for parts shipped from France.

But do go look at the Maramu in your local area, then compare it to other boats before you fall in love with it.
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Hi,

Thanks for the response, I'm definately not in love with any hull... Yet, in fact thats the reason I would like to go check one out in the flesh as I often find doing do brings home some realities. Which boats specifically were you thinking of as the best competitors to a Maramu in the similar proce range (under 150K)?

I'm also looking into an Oyster and I might add these are all kinda old boats (80-90) and for the same money I could simply fo with a production boat from the late 2000's and potentially avoid the systems issues you speak of, but chances are it'd be a buy use for a year or so and sell again. Its definately an option though.

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Re: Amel Maramu / Santorin in QLD?

If you only plan on cruising for a year or two, just about anything of recent vintage newer than say 1995 or so will be fine. Tayanas in your price range are excellent ocean going boats, but then don't hesitate to look at some nice Beneteaus, Jenneaus and Catalinas in the 42-50ft range. A small ketch like the Amel will be difficult to sell IMHO unless you get an incredible deal on one, your market will only be old farts stuck in the 1970's. I know this will upset some Amel fanboys and fangirls... but it's true.

A watermaker and generator will make your cruising life much more enjoyable, and if you plan on continuing, look at the possibilty of being able to add a washing machine. Make sure it has room to add one. A good friend of ours recently purchased a 35 year old Gulfstar 45 or 47 for short money, it needed some minor work, but from what I hear, things have been working out great for them. Hallberg Rassy would also be an excellent choice, maybe an HR 43.
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Old 26-09-2016, 09:05   #5
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Spead your net wide and look at other boats. The Maramu has a cult-like devoted following I don't really understand. Look at sloops instead of ketches to simplify things and boats with a much larger cockpit area without the steering wheel in the way, you'll be glad you did. Open space on a boat is much appreciated when living aboard full time, the Maramu has none. You'll also be dealing with tender management on a daily basis, look at boats with a substantial davit system that facilitates easy raising and lowering of the dinghy. Another thing, if you spend time in warm climates, you're going to want a dodger/sprayhood that can be lowered or opened in order to facilitate airflow through the cockpit, not a fixed glass dodger.

One more important thing to consider, many of the systems on an Amel are proprietary as I understand. Look for a boat that has systems that can be replaced by items off the shelf in areas you plan to visit. On our boat for example, I can order parts at any local chandlery when things break down... and they do. Such as pumps, water heater, macerators, refrigeration etc. nothing messes up your vacation more than having to wait for parts shipped from France.

But do go look at the Maramu in your local area, then compare it to other boats before you fall in love with it.
Hi Kenomac,

I wonder... I bet the cockpit on the SM is far larger than what you have on your "clam" oops Oyster.... I know my mate with a Clam 575 (new boat) is green with envy when he visits us..

Love oysters too but perhaps not as much as you.

Fair winds matey
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Re: Amel Maramu / Santorin in QLD?

So broadening to any kind of Amel Pre SM2000 really.

We have heard so much about the nuanced interiors and useful design, we'd just like to have a look before organising the offer and surveyor all the way around the world sight unseen #feelingthefear.

There is a bottle of black label just screaming to come aboard, or a veuve if you are more of a bubbly spirit

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Hello Aqua Geo,

Here is a good thread to get "correct" technical info to you.

Difference between Amel models

If you want info outside this forum, you can PM me.

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Re: Amel Maramu / Santorin in QLD?

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I'm also looking into an Oyster and I might add these are all kinda old boats (80-90) and for the same money I could simply fo with a production boat from the late 2000's and potentially avoid the systems issues you speak of, but chances are it'd be a buy use for a year or so and sell again.
You're likely going to run into exactly the same issues with a production boat from the 2000's as you are with an older custom boat for the simple fact that they are outfitted with less robust fittings and equipment.

As an example I'm working on my 30 year old mast in a rigger's yard, and I'm surrounded by masts from popular production bruising boats that are 7-9 years old, some with serious refit issues. The shop owner, when I asked him about it, shrugged and said "You can't sell boats at those price points by putting the best available gear on them". I'm not dinging those brands per se, just pointing out that the refit cycles for them are markedly different than they are for older custom boats. Don't think that by buying a 10 year old production boat you're going to avoid all the issues you'll encounter with a 25 year old semi-custom boat.

Also, zeroing in on a particular brand/model given what you want to do is a very limiting approach. You'd be better served by just trying to get on as many boats for sale as possible and poking around on them. You'll learn a lot from that process and start to refine your requirements in ways that are more concrete and ultimately productive.
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