Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-02-2016, 04:02   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 6
Alu centerborder for family cruising

Dear All, we are family of four with two young children and looking for are new, actually first on saltwater, boat. We have 10 years of experience with usual chartering and dinghy racing nearly all weekends in the summer. We also have all the needed licences, but lack of offshore cruising experiences.

We are planning a 2-3 years long cruising in the Med, cross the Atlantic to Caribbean and back. I have no idea what comes up after...

I've done extensive research on possible boats, and come up an idea to buy an aluminum center-border. Because it is incredible difficult to finance a boat from eastern european income (which is 1/10th of the wester-european one) we are looking for a small, but comfortable boat for us, which is not a financial crisis to berth in the Med if needed.

The ideal boat seems to me:

1. Ovni 395
2. Ovni 365
3. Ovni 385

(I've also checked other brands, but they seems more expensive)

Is there anyone who cruising on one of these? Especially with young ones? What are your experiences? Is there any drawbacks because of the aluminum deck?

There is very few info on Ovnis in English. (or Hungarian) I've even tried to read the Ovni owners forum using google translate, but i could not find answers to my questions. It seems that there is a debate that from nautical point of view the 365 is more modern and faster, but just a bit smaller than 395. Is it true? Is there any significant difference?

One review mention that 385 hasn't got standing height in the saloon. It would be a exclusion for us, we looking for at least 1.90 headroom and 4+2 at least 2 meters long comfy berths.

I would prefer the 3 cabin versions of these types, but I'm not sure that there is enough storage for live aboard with a family, and the small head seems to be hardly useable. Any experiences on this?

I've been to the last two big boat shows (London and Düsseldorf), but Ovni didn't show up. Now I am planning a trip to west and south France to view as many Ovni as I can find, but I need some input to narrow my search to what I really need. (Do I need a bigger one?)

The maximum budget is 200.000 EUR, but we want to save as much for cruising as we can. (My main concern is that an old but well equipped Amel Maramu is half the price, means much longer trouble free cruising...)


Any advice on self surveying on Ovni would be appreciated too.

Thanks for your advice,

B.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________

__________________
pethob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2016, 05:57   #2
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,580
Images: 240
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, pethob.
__________________

__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2016, 08:57   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Earth
Boat: Amel Super Maramu 53 ft
Posts: 504
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Welcome aboard also. With a budget of $200K, there are many great boats out there.

However, as you are Euro based, there is no need for a swing keel boat.. in fact the Caribbean and Bahamas benefit from shallow draft but few other areas.

With your $200K, you could also get one of these... OPINION.. every one below will be more satisfying than a Ovni and will be easier to care for than an alu boat. (I love alu boats but Ovni's have too many restrictions for me.)

1989 Hallberg Rassy 45 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

2003 Wauquiez Centurion 45s Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1991 Najad 420 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Lastly, you could do a lot worse than an Amel... I own one.
__________________
Eleuthera 2014 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2016, 13:30   #4
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 10,678
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

One time we were romancing an Alu boat, and sought advice from our friend who built their own aluminum cutter.

What he said that was critical, was to see if there is dirt anywhere in the bilges. It makes a place for the salt air to collect and lie against the hull plates and pit them. So, you will need to take a headlamp and a hand torch, and grovel a lot to look in all the nooks and crannies. If it is clean and un-pitted, then you're good to go.

In your case, since you have definite ideas about the size of the berths, and your headroom, I'd suggest measuring them first off, to save time, and only after all your other requirements have been met, do the dirty work. Be sure and also evaluate access to systems you will be working on.

Ann
__________________
Ann, with Jim, aboard US s/v Insatiable II, in Oz, very long term cruisers
JPA Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2016, 13:31   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 6
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Thanks for your opinion. What restrictions do you mean compared to a similar length aft cockpit GRP design?

I understand a price difference, If I can afford I would definitely enjoy the shallow draft.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
pethob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2016, 13:48   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 6
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate View Post
One time we were romancing an Alu boat, and sought advice from our friend who built their own aluminum cutter.

What he said that was critical, was to see if there is dirt anywhere in the bilges. It makes a place for the salt air to collect and lie against the hull plates and pit them. So, you will need to take a headlamp and a hand torch, and grovel a lot to look in all the nooks and crannies. If it is clean and un-pitted, then you're good to go.

In your case, since you have definite ideas about the size of the berths, and your headroom, I'd suggest measuring them first off, to save time, and only after all your other requirements have been met, do the dirty work. Be sure and also evaluate access to systems you will be working on.

Ann

Thanks I will check the bilges. But is there any typical weak point on Ovnis, what needs to be checked?


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
pethob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2016, 14:13   #7
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

On the Ovni, & similar aluminum hulled centerboarders: I've always wondered how one both kept tabs on the status of the bottom paint, & that of the barrier coat, inside of the centerboard trunk. Ditto on much of the centerboard that's normally out of sight. Tucked up inside of the trunk.

And I ask because there must be a substantial bit of abrasion going on between the board & the trunk, especially when under sail. Particularly upwind.
This, even if one was to put some UHMW Polyethelyne strips/patches onto the sides of the board, so as to cut down on friction. And thus, subsequent coating wear.

But even with "Teflon Washers", as it were. I'm sure that there still has to be a fair amount of movement between the two; continually, 24/7.
Which strikes me as being very, very hard on the coatings on both the trunk & the board.

So what's the fix? As, if you wear off your coatings in an aluminum boat, you're sunk, literally.
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 05:43   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 2
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

My boot - http://www.ayc-yachtbroker.com/ovni-445 2009 cross the Atlantic one year to the Caribbean and back in the Mediterranean.


Отправлено с моего iPad используя Tapatalk
__________________
edd248 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 09:12   #9
Registered User
 
jmpapon's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Charleston, SC and France
Boat: Westerly Corsair 36
Posts: 19
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Hi, like you I like OVNI's and alu. boats in general. Unfortunately I can't get myself to sell my current boat, a Westerly Corsair 36 that I refitted over the years, and buy an OVNI but if you are planning to travel to France to see OVNI's for sale I would strongly suggest that you visit their plant in Les Sables d'Olonne on the west coast of France not far from La Rochelle. I did it a couple of years back. I would bet one of their Sales people will speak English and they will gladly take you through a tour of their plant. They may even give you information on a few used OVNI's for sale. It makes for a very interesting and informative visit.
Their internet site is: www.ALUBAT.com
__________________
jmpapon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 10:10   #10
Registered User
 
hamburking's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Kingston Ont Canada
Boat: Looking for my next boat!
Posts: 2,149
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Wow...those are 3 great looking boats! I never see anything like those in my area (Lake Ontario, Canada).
__________________
hamburking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 11:20   #11
Senior Cruiser
 
northwestsailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kenai, AK
Boat: Meta Dalu 47
Posts: 277
Images: 10
Send a message via AIM to northwestsailor Send a message via Skype™ to northwestsailor
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

I suggest spending some time on this website https://www.morganscloud.com/ There is plenty of free information here for any sailor and specifically one who is interested in an aluminum boat. If you are still interested you can subscribe and get much more detail.

I purchased an well used aluminum boat several years ago. I had a French production boat before. There is no comparison to the safety one feels from a thick metal hull between you and the water. You will not regret getting a swinging keel either. The possibilities are endless and much more interesting than always worrying about kissing the bottom. You can PM me for more information.
__________________
Victor Raymond
S/V Rajah Laut
1988 Meta Dalu 47

completion by Peter Smith
northwestsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 12:21   #12
Registered User
 
Cadence's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
Posts: 6,059
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Quote:
Originally Posted by pethob View Post
Thanks I will check the bilges. But is there any typical weak point on Ovnis, what needs to be checked?


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
I know squat about aluminum boats. I suggest you search threads. I thought they would be the nuts, however that does not seem to be the case. Most seem to be a one off or of limited production. For what is isn't worth go GRP.

Homeless, if he was not a troll, had an ongoing thread about China Doll. I believe he either got POed or realized he was self destructive as far as resale value by prosting?

Best of luck!
__________________
Cadence is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 12:57   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 753
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Is it a safety thing for your family that you desire the metal boat? Lots of articles for you to read and think about under google search and aluminum boats at the top of our CF page concerning aluminum boats. Be very careful of older aluminum boats. Some of them were expedition style boats and were used very hard. You will need to get a very good marine survey of rig, plate thickness, and gone over very carefully.


We have a couple of marine welders on this forum who should speak up about the problems with aluminum in marine environments over long periods of time if the boats were not properly taken care of with anodes, electrical groundings inside the boat, and other things that are specific issues with metal boats. All platforms have their pluses and minuses. Aluminum boats are cool.


Last thing...u r a careful man and you are right to understand the cost of a boat and the money needed to keep her going. Don't stretch too far and too deep into your "maximum" budget for a boat. Many excellent fiberglass boats available. Those posted were excellent boats but too close to your budget maximum. Also I am not a big fan of teak decks...I guess I am lazy.
__________________
alansmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 13:48   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Sydney
Boat: Farr 1020
Posts: 223
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

I see nobody so far has raised the issue of insulation. Aluminium boats will have a lot of condensation if they are not insulated. I once looked at one without any and every nook and cranny was damp, backs of all lining panels were mouldy and so forth.
Check the anode - the one on a strop that is dropped over the side when moored. It is the most essential protection
Also, never do any wiring work without vacuum cleaner. Copper is the worst enemy of marine grade alloys.
Never owned an Ovni, but never heard bad comments on them either. I understand that, in the extreme, lying ahull with the board raised is very comfortable - if such a comment can be made about being at sea in a major storm!
__________________
Djarraluda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2016, 14:14   #15
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,314
Re: Alu centerborder for family cruising

Pethob,

Ovnis are fabulous boats. Relatively fast, relatively safe, easy to drive, comfortable and with decent water / storage capacity. True cruising machines.

They are somewhat difficult to maneuver in tight spaces when the wind is howling.

We met many Ovnis when sailing around and none of the owners said a single bad word for their boats. We got pretty close with a couple sailing an Ovni 385 half way around (AUS to RSA) and this one we know better than others. It is a great cruising boat. Full stop.

I also know one of the newer bigger 445 Ovnis where I worked as a preparateur for the ARC. Her crew were Russian and so in Las Palmas they wanted someone who can fluently move between the Spanish and the Western way of working and thinking - they were adding much new equipment to this one and also making some major modifications. Frankly, given that experience, I would shop for one of the earlier Ovnis.

As you said there are pretty many options like Allures, Boreals, Atlantics, etc. etc. etc. Some are faster, some have more out and out cruising features, etc. BUT with a fine Ovni you will have a proper cruising tool. Just add water.

Have fun shopping and buying, then sailing.

Cheers,
b.
__________________

__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cruising, family

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Corrosion & electrolysis mixing bronze with alu Srah 1953 Propellers & Drive Systems 3 28-11-2012 16:41
Looking for Family interested in joining our Family to go cruising! Austanian Our Community 2 10-06-2012 18:38
Steel / Alu Pilothouse Boats ? Bronner Monohull Sailboats 47 18-05-2012 12:54
Yearly Cost of Family Cruising giselle Families, Kids and Pets Afloat 98 14-08-2010 13:56
Family Cruising Site Jim H Families, Kids and Pets Afloat 2 30-04-2006 22:28



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 14:38.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.