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Old 02-09-2013, 09:56   #151
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Re: Advice on Circumnavigation Vessel

I agree, the SS tube lifelines to me anyways are a last resort and should not be the first place to hang on, proper handholds on the top of the coach roof would really improve the safety. Rest of it is wonderful.
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This is what a good seagoing deck looks like.

http://www.eyb-boats.com/Photos_bate...3334-1_400.jpg

This boat has no shrouds attached mid-deck, nothing on the sidedecks, hard rail all round and each of her two anchors fed to a separate winch, two well spaced foresails, two masts, deep and secure center cockpit, hard dodger, skeg rudder, no saildrive, lead ballast, proper bilge sump, vast kitchen facility, beautiful wood finish inside.

And she sails very well too.

I might have missed something but I bet you are getting my drift by now.

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Can't really argue with an Amel 54, except that I've never liked that you are limited to steering from the pilot house and visibility is pretty poor.

That said, It's pretty easy on most boats to de-declutter a deck based on your needs and to add handholds as required. Dorades are easy to get rid of as are most obstructions that are not running rigging related. It's largely a matter of what compromises you're willing to make along the spectrum from maximum safety at one end to comfort and convenience at the other.
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Somehow, boats with clean, easy to walk decks and generous handholds all around are actually never discussed at CF.
Au Contraire - they are discussed all the time in the multihull forum.

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Not too surprising that the designer/builder of boats with outboard shrouds, would sing the praises of having the shrouds outboard.
I believe you've got the cart before the horse. First, based on his offshore experience, Walt concluded that outboard shrouds were safer and then he designed his boats to include them.
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Barnakiel, great deck, now if it had handholds along the coach roof, and a little higher bulwark, it would be even better. Wide clear side decks make for a little less room down below, but are wonderful at sea. ____Another 2 cents worth.____Grant.
An inside railing is super. Here is ours:
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Is there ever a day out there when it is NOT gnarly?
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Here's how I check: Marine Point Forecast for Latitude 37.82N and Longitude 122.56W
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Not all U shaped galleys are great, in some at the sink , you just get thrown across the front of the companionway. And in one or two cases, being able to dodge out of the way of the flying cooker door and contents , made being "locked" in quite dodgy

The straight galley does have its drawbacks absolutely. I had one on my 393. But several boat types have a backrest in the setback behind the galley. It can be made work. all boats are compromises

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Thanks, Dave, good point. I've always felt, however, that the backrest set arrangement with a loooong galley tends to take away the ambiance down below of traditional saloons. Compromises and preferences...hmm, what's new in boating?
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One more thing... Remember the song by Baz Lurman ( I think... ) called "Sunscreen"? Well my version of that song would be called "Ground Tackle"!
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Barnakiel, great deck, now if it had handholds along the coach roof, and a little higher bulwark, it would be even better. Wide clear side decks make for a little less room down below, but are wonderful at sea. ____Another 2 cents worth.____Grant.
There are handholds on the dodger and on the aft coach roof. There must be a logical reason why there are none on the fore roof. No problem to ask the builder to add them in your case.

Room below is not limited - this boat is 54'. Full standing height for a tall person throughout.

I forgot to mention 2 watertight bulkheads, 360 engine access and ample genset/watermaker space.

This is how they should be built, if they were built for sailors.

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I agree, the SS tube lifelines to me anyways are a last resort and should not be the first place to hang on, proper handholds on the top of the coach roof would really improve the safety. Rest of it is wonderful.
If they work they work.

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This is what a good seagoing deck looks like.

http://www.eyb-boats.com/Photos_bate...3334-1_400.jpg

This boat has no shrouds attached mid-deck, nothing on the sidedecks, hard rail all round and each of her two anchors fed to a separate winch, two well spaced foresails, two masts, deep and secure center cockpit, hard dodger, skeg rudder, no saildrive, lead ballast, proper bilge sump, vast kitchen facility, beautiful wood finish inside.

And she sails very well too.

I might have missed something but I bet you are getting my drift by now.

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Safe side-decks is of course very important. It's also very pleasant when you can walk comfortably around the coach-roof (doghouse to Brits).

The shroud arrangement is not nearly as important as sheer size. As the beam gets wider, the challenge to the designer disappears. My previous boat, otherwise very salty and very seaworthy, but only 37 feet, had sidedecks which could be negotiated only by crawling in any kind of weather. And you did not wander around the deck at anchor -- no where to go to, and a struggle to get there.

My present boat, with 16 feet of beam, is an entirely different story. I think you could walk two abreast, arm-in-arm, along the side decks. Naturally, that is much safer. There are good handholds along the top of the doghouse. At the same time, the motion of a larger boat is easier. So it becomes a totally different experience going to the foredeck.

Going up to 65 feet would be another quantum leap, I think.
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A dog house is a small wheel house partially enclosed. Not the coach roof , which is the cabin top


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Yeah, I think I agree B. Of course, if boats were actually designed for sailors, its highly likely none of us could afford to buy it!
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(...) Going up to 65 feet would be another quantum leap, I think.
I have seen more small boats that were neatly laid out than big ones.

I think many big boat designers are simply house designers that got unemployed and had to pitch for other markets.

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I have seen more small boats that were neatly laid out than big ones.

I think many big boat designers are simply house designers that got unemployed and had to pitch for other markets.

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Dashew used to design houses. , I didn't know that !!!!!

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