Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 26-10-2015, 03:03   #31
Registered User
 
xslim's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Amsterdam, NL
Boat: One-off Alu 39' sloop
Posts: 115
Send a message via Skype™ to xslim
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

A quick update on my journey:
Did a sailing test this Saturday.
Wind was stable F3-F4 (bft).
Diesel engine after being asleep for 6 months started within 7 seconds and worked without any smoke and had cruising speed of 5knots, and max speed 7.5 knots.
Sailing with full main and 140% genoa.
90% beam reach - 6.5-7 knots
40% into wind - 6 knots
35% into wind - 5 knots
30% - 3.5 knots

I think she sails pretty good for an aluminum boat of 9 tons.

So far the most annoying is:
- rigging which is 30 years old
- practically, no toilet.

Talked with the broker, made proposal, he says "too little" but agrees there are lot of things to be done on a boat.
They are thinking...
__________________

__________________
xslim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-10-2015, 06:29   #32
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Sounds promising !

Will keep the 'ol fingers crossed!
__________________

__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-10-2015, 20:03   #33
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 122
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Most people I know working in the marine industry don't really like aluminum past a given age. At about 10 years the crewing companies will ditch aluminum due to it's deterioration. Most don't seem to appreciate the softness of it and it's willingness to act as an anode in the presence of harder metals when submerged in saltwater.

Sent from my SM-T310 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
nortonscove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 04:15   #34
Registered User
 
xslim's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Amsterdam, NL
Boat: One-off Alu 39' sloop
Posts: 115
Send a message via Skype™ to xslim
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Well I have a friend that has a sailboat rental company. He does not want to keep in his fleet any boat older than 5 years.
Also I heard bad stories of plastic boats that are leaking...

So I would prefer a comments on aluminum boats from people that actually owned them.
__________________
xslim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 04:36   #35
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Quote:
Originally Posted by xslim View Post
Well I have a friend that has a sailboat rental company. He does not want to keep in his fleet any boat older than 5 years.
Also I heard bad stories of plastic boats that are leaking...

So I would prefer a comments on aluminum boats from people that actually owned them.
All boats leak...

It just depends on where... how bad... and what....

I'd go for a little water in the bilge over a leaking holding tank 10X out ot 10...


WHAT'S happening!!! ANY update slim?
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 04:38   #36
Registered User
 
xslim's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Amsterdam, NL
Boat: One-off Alu 39' sloop
Posts: 115
Send a message via Skype™ to xslim
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Update
Initial asking price - 59. I proposed 45.
Broker told me it's too little, owner wants 55.
I offered max 50.
Owner thinking.
__________________
xslim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 04:46   #37
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Quote:
Originally Posted by xslim View Post
Update
Initial asking price - 59. I proposed 45.
Broker told me it's too little, owner wants 55.
I offered max 50.
Owner thinking.
SUPER!

I lean towards 50 working.... I'm hoping anyway...

Did the survey find anything that might help lower the asking price?
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 04:48   #38
Registered User
 
xslim's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Amsterdam, NL
Boat: One-off Alu 39' sloop
Posts: 115
Send a message via Skype™ to xslim
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Here usually you do the offer under condition that survey will not find anything major.
Once they will accept the offer, I will arrange a survey (1k euro) and only after I will agree to give money
__________________
xslim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 05:05   #39
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Quote:
Originally Posted by xslim View Post
Here usually you do the offer under condition that survey will not find anything major.
Once they will accept the offer, I will arrange a survey (1k euro) and only after I will agree to give money
Roger that Skipper....

By the way... I have some friends who can help the owner with his thinking problem....
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 05:39   #40
Registered User
 
xslim's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Amsterdam, NL
Boat: One-off Alu 39' sloop
Posts: 115
Send a message via Skype™ to xslim
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Well I got a reply that the owner wants min 54.

What was about that friends you say?
__________________
xslim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2015, 06:07   #41
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Quote:
Originally Posted by xslim View Post
Well I got a reply that the owner wants min 54.

What was about that friends you say?
HA HA!

You'll likely break even over the 4k... These aren't the types that you want to owe money to...

Obviously I kid...

If your're that close, I'd take a gamble on the survey... Tell the owner that re-negotiation is a probability if the findings support it... AND... he has to ADMIT he is open to that possibility...

If there's nothing glaringly wrong, but a bunch of little stuff... ask him to split the difference at 52...
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2015, 03:00   #42
Registered User
 
xslim's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Amsterdam, NL
Boat: One-off Alu 39' sloop
Posts: 115
Send a message via Skype™ to xslim
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Ok, so I agreed on 54 + owner gives some trainings on boat and engine and equipment maintenance and participates in them.

Now I need to organize a survey. I've got 2 recommendations for surveyors:

1. Lives in the same city (same harbor) as the boat, has 30+ years of experience, also with aluminum boats, but he checks aluminum rusting using a small hammer and claims it's better than using device to measure thickness. And he's available to do the survey on a short notice.

2. Lives in a middle of nowhere, has 20 years of experience, has electronic device to measure the thickness, but requires 80$ more for travel and is quite busy, so will need to arrange a date way ahead.

Which one to pick?
Is it OK to use a hammer to check the rusting?
__________________
xslim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2015, 06:13   #43
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Glad you settled... Hopefully it will work out!

Oh MAN.... I have no idea here... An experienced man with a hammer is far better than an electronic thickness gauge that is completely inaccurate...

And Vice Versa...

Ask to see previous surveys for both on aluminum boats, and call the owners... ???

Walk the docks looking for aluminum boats, and ask who they used for a survey???

This is way out of my comfort zone slim... hopefully the guys that had great aluminum hull info earlier will be back...
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2015, 07:13   #44
Moderator
 
noelex 77's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Living on dirt waiting for our new yacht to be built.
Boat: Half built Bestevaer.
Posts: 10,619
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Thickness measurements are very useful on a survey of a steel boat. With steel there is a general reduction in thickness over time. In an aluminium boat this does not occur providing one of the correct marine grade alloys has been used.

Any corrosion that is present will be very localised pitting. This can be caused, for example, by dissimilar metal in contact with the aluminium and water. Electronic devices are unlikely to pick up these isolated areas if any exist.

The electronic measurement will tell you what thickness aluminium has been used in the construction, which can be useful if plans are missing or incomplete, but not much else.

My only concern is that a surveyor without an electronic thickness measurement tool could not survey a steel boat satisfactorily. The surveyors that are most knowledgable about aluminium usually specialise in metal boats (steel and aluminium). A lack of suitable tools to survey a steel boat suggests that they are also likely to be less knowledgable about aluminium. However, this is by no means certain, just an attempt to draw conclusions with limited facts.
__________________
noelex 77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2015, 10:23   #45
Senior Cruiser
 
Cheechako's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Skagit City, WA
Posts: 19,371
Re: Advice on Aluminum boat Valencin 39, 1985

Tough one on the surveyor... although... I think it's an asset if the surveyor is not local and therefore doesn't know the broker etc.... doesn't feel any obligations in the back of his mind. I definitely want to see a surveyor with a hammer though, he should have both the electronic and the hammer IMO. The hammer may tell things the thickness unit doesn't; like if a weld is cracked on a stringer etc... buried under the 1/4 berth....he will hear the difference if it is.... hammering.
__________________

__________________
"I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted" - Elmore Leonard











Cheechako is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
aluminum, valencin

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Valencin 39 Jort Vendor Spotlight - Great Deals for CF Members! 0 05-03-2014 01:38
What to look for when buying a 1985 used boat? Swelbo1 Monohull Sailboats 3 11-03-2012 19:41
1985 Endeavor 38 Center Cockpit NYCGOLDEN Monohull Sailboats 11 01-04-2011 11:29
1985 Morgan 43 Center Cockpit for sale bdcruzer Classifieds Archive 0 26-03-2008 11:17



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:14.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.