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Old 23-06-2016, 15:05   #91
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Nice idea but I may be too old now.

I have raced maybe 400-500 races mostly one design though. It has worked out pretty well, but if you have more experience I'm all ears

On this PHRF Race though, I was able to beat the faster 22' boats (I was on a 17' boat) to the downwind mark 10 miles out with a slower rated boat (it was a distance race with a downwind start, spinnakers flying). I knew the wind would be rotating forward so I had a flat spinnaker up and it worked out.

I'm racing singlehanded. I won the race but barely stayed in contact for the 32 miles

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You left out the part about single handedly bringing about whirled peas, it's never too late for that.
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Guaranteed to crush the competition!

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Crushing the Competition! The goal of every racer!

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Under fortunately that is a probe limb, but not in Sir Mountable. (just in jest)
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Amen, brother!

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Old 23-06-2016, 18:44   #94
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Crushing the Competition! The goal of every racer!

When I use my iPad, the auto fill (or autocorrect) feature sometimes gets the butter of me by putting in swords I don't knowtice at the thyme are miss peeled.
Under fortunately that is a probe limb, but not in Sir Mountable. (just in jest)
I hate spell correct, has put me in Dutch with my wife several times. Doh!

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Old 23-06-2016, 18:48   #95
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Amen, brother!

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It only takes 2 boats to make a race. My wife used to make fun of me when I'd trim up when another boat was near us. Last year I caught her doing the same on a transit to maine, she couldn't let that boat 2 miles to port pass us. Sometimes you just can't help yourself.

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Old 07-07-2016, 08:01   #96
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Re: A cruiser you can race?

boats that can win such a race that are cruisers/comfortable but fast.

Tartan 40.

Keel/centreboard Sparkman & Stevens design, comfortable, fast. not a bad word to say about them.

Sabre 40

5ft or so wing keel, fast, comfortable..only thing i dont love is the wing keel.

Sabre 38/II or 386
38/II keel centreboard on 38/II, better storage, better accommodation for offwatch sleeping underway, dedicated nav station.
386 faster, beamier, less comfortable.

while i have a 38/II and it sails well, i know i get smoked by both a T40 and a S40..like smoked, and probably more than a handicap can cover, and anyway, for trips like that i would go 40ft minimum.
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I'd say a wing keel Ericson 38 would be fast and shoal draft. I had two of them.... with the fin, on the west coast.
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Re: A cruiser you can race?

In some races, the type boat doesn't really matter due to PHRF handicap

Most times the SHTP (singlehand tranpac) is a broad reach all the way from San Fran to Hawaii. Folks look for boats that excel at that angle of sail......sometimes it helps and sometimes not

Here's the historical results and all the different boats. A Pearson Triton is pretty high on the list and it's a very slow boat

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...26130881,d.cGc
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The Singlehanded Transpac (SHTP) started July 2nd.

It's a race by singlehanders from San Francisco to Hawaii.

There are four Westsail 32's in the race.

There are two Cal 40's and one of them is in excellent position and is possibly leading under handicapping rules. He (Seazed Asset) is ahead of most of the boats boat for boat.

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My shorthand crew and I did just this on Saturday. There's been a lot said about freestanding rigs on this forum (both positive and negative). My Freedom 38 is a great cruising boat, kindly offshore, roomy for 4 people, and solidly built. With new main sail a couple of years ago, more experience in the racing circuit (going on my 3rd year) and a favorable beam reach along most of the course, we demolished our competition in the WestPoint Regatta. We averaged about 8.5 to 9 knots of boat speed though we also had a favorable flood to push us along a bit, but also big wind waves generated by winds in the high 20s all day.

Just look at our elapsed (actual) time compared to such boats as the J105, J30, Santa Cruz 27, Islander 36, Catalina 30, Cal 39, Hobie 33, and even the Santa Cruz 50 (a BIG time racer on the bay and offshore): https://www.jibeset.net/show.php?RR=...OC=r1&TYP=html. Then take a look at the corrected (PHRF) times

I can't say more good things about the Freedom as the all around best cruiser/racer

Oh, I'm also living on my boat so it has all the usual accouterments of books, clothes, dive gear, pots/pans, 300 feet of chain, big anchor, full water tank, etc., etc. Seriously, she's a great boat.
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In some races, the type boat doesn't really matter due to PHRF handicap

Most times the SHTP (singlehand tranpac) is a broad reach all the way from San Fran to Hawaii. Folks look for boats that excel at that angle of sail......sometimes it helps and sometimes not

Here's the historical results and all the different boats. A Pearson Triton is pretty high on the list and it's a very slow boat

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...26130881,d.cGc
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I would like:
a shoal draft (5 ft would be great)
Bridge clearance under 60 ft.
sea kindly and sturdy enough for blue water comfort
easy to handle short handed
not too tender
with the ability to point reasonably well
This list includes all aspects of the F38 with its 5.5' keel, 55' mast, sea kindly demeanor, it is cruised all over the world, it was made to single-hand, and the CF rig dumps the wind in the big puffs so it doesn't get overpowered easily. It doesn't point as well as another boat with anything larger than a 100% jib, but it points reasonably well when you know how to trim it correctly. Not all racing is windward/leeward....
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